dave mcbride

Aiyuk was a second team all pro last season. The pro bowl is meaningless in comparison. Also, DJ Moore is phenomenal. Pro bowl appearances are about the stupidest measuring stick of all.

McDaniel is a lot smarter than you give him credit for.

Gonna push back a little. A little better than average qb (if you don’t have one) is worth ten times more than an elite receiver/DE/CB/LT. It’s just such a far more important position, and it’s not even arguable. Hence you might want to factor that into your grades. I like Simms, but he LOVED Zach Wilson. I do get it — we’ve all been wrong about prospects (Sam Darnold on my end).

I don't *think* this will happen, but given the Vikings overall roster, which is pretty good, I could see them possibly going 10-7 and I think it's in the realm of possibility that the Bills end up in the same place. I guess all I'm saying is that I wouldn't assume 100 percent that the Vikings will be bad and that their pick will be better. Darnold isn't great, but he's not horrible and he's definitely an upgrade over what they had after Cousins went down last season. Darnold went 4-2 with Carolina in 2022 on a team with a pretty bad roster overall. It is a tough division, though.

https://theathletic.com/5431528/2024/04/23/nfl-draft-2024-confidential-nabers-harrison-williams/ Tons and tons of interesting insights/comments from coaches across the league. Long piece and worth your time.

Don’t get me wrong - a shoulder injury that’s non-crippling doesn’t phase me.

Thomas is going in the first round. Do not risk it.

Jeremiah has Kneeland as his 45th best player. I don't profess to know anything. Why do you think he sucks?

Also, listening to Adunze, I can see why teams love him. He comes across as pretty sharp -- like, waaay smarter than your average NFL receiver:

Lots of good stuff from Albert Breer of SI: https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/04/022/takeaways-nfl-draft-latest-buzz-rumors-medicals "• Both of LSU’s star receivers, Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik Nabers, have issues with their left shoulders. The risk here is considered relatively minimal—in both cases, there’s a chance the player may have to have the shoulder surgically repaired after the 2024 season. Bryan Bresee, the Saints’ first-round pick last year, had a similar situation with his shoulder coming into the draft last year." Shades of Shaq Lawson in 2016?

Bobby Clarke had type I diabetes, and like Santo he is in the hall of fame. https://www.rciscience.ca/100-lives/bobby-clarke From another site: "Bobby Clarke's epic in-game nutrition: two phentermine cans of coca-cola with three spoonfuls of added sugar before the game. Half a glass of orange with added sugar between periods and a full glass after the game. He also packed chocolate bars and glucose gum in his uniform pockets." He has Troy Franklin pretty low and D'Vondre Sweat very low.

Daniel Jeremiah's top 150 is now up: https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-150-prospects-in-the-2024-nfl-draft-class

Interesting comp with Flacco. I think McCarthy is significantly more mobile than Flacco ever was. Having said that, Flacco in retrospect should have been a top five pick in this draft and maybe even second overall after Matt Ryan: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2008/draft.htm. He's had a very good career overall.

I can't imagine that Daniels's mom will affect his draft status. I feel like teams look at Lamar Jackson and think, yeah, it's slightly annoying, but nothing we can't handle.

It's just one game, though. He had a lot of good games. Plus Michigan was built to run the ball.

I think the Jets would be crazy not to take him. They signed Mike Williams and already have Garrett Wilson, and Bowers would put them over the top.

The thing I keep reading about McCarthy is that he was off-the-charts good on third down (the money down): https://www.footballscout365.com/post/2024-nfl-draft-measuring-quarterback-clutch-ability-using-points-earned-per-play-on-3rd-and-4th-dow. NFL teams apparently really care about that stat (and rightly so, I'd argue). He also apparently had a ridiculously good pro day.

https://wapo.st/3W9A7BM (Gift article): ’The proximity of the Giants’ selection (sixth overall) to Arizona’s fourth pick has many giving New York the edge in completing that trade. “They aren’t playing with Daniel Jones, I can tell you that much,” a second GM said of the Giants’ incumbent. “I hear it’s McCarthy or Maye” for New York.’

Don’t get me wrong - I want guys who get open AND make contested catches. I’d love to have Jefferson on the Bills, for instance. But those guys are rare.

I'd simply add that while Deebo Samuel and AJ Brown were second round picks, they cannot be viewed in isolation or only in relation to other receivers. Both SF and TN had first round picks too, and they chose, respectively, Nick Bosa and Jeffrey Simmons. Those were hardly bad decisions.

Yes, precisely. It will absolutely even out over time. The other thing to consider is whether the entities paying college players will realize the sort of return they are anticipating. I’m skeptical, and that might ratchet down the NIL payments.

If you don’t remember how good Jermaine Lewis was - in an era when returns mattered — that is surprising, but whatever. (Also, kickoff returner too.) We can agree to disagree. The best ten receivers in that draft, in my opinion, were in rough order as follows: 1st: tie - Harrison (first rounder) / TO (3rd rounder) 3rd: Muhammed (second rounder) 4th: tie - Moulds (first rounder / Toomer (second rounder) 6th: tie - Keyshawn (first overall) / Joe Horn (fifth rounder) 8th: Terry Glenn (first rounder) 9th: tie - Bobby Engram (second rounder) / Eddie Kennison (first rounder) Also, the "says everything here" line (re: a very small element of what I'm saying - that Jermaine Lewis was a good player) along with all the GIF snark isn't a great way to argue. You're too dismissive of other posters and you seem to think snarky cutdowns will somehow punctuate for others the correctness of your own views. It likely doesn't for the people you're engaging with.

Um, not really. 1 - Keyshawn Johnson (814 receptions, 10,571 yards, 64 tds) 7 - Terry Glenn (593 receptions; 8823 yards, 14.9 career ypr) 18 - Eddie Kennison (548 receptions; 8,345 yards, 15.2 career ypr) 19 - Marvin Harrison (HOF) 24 - Eric Moulds (764 receptions, 9,995 yards, all-pro (second team) twice) 31 - Alex Van D yke (bust) 34 - Amari Toomer (668 receptions, 9,497 yards; 14.2 career ypc; huge game in the SB vs the 19-0 Pats) 41 - Bryan Still (bust) 43 - Muhsin Muhammed (860 receptions, 11,438 yards, 62 TDs) 52 - Bobby Engram (650 receptions) 56 - Derrick Mayes (bust; one decent season in Seattle in 1999) 89 - Terrell Owens (HOF) ... 135 - Joe Horn (603 receptions; 8,744 yards, 14.2 ypr, 58 TDs) 153 - Jermaine Lewis (great career as a returner; 2-time all pro)

For deep WR drafts, just look at 1996. Yeah, a long time ago, but it was ridiculous.