dave mcbride

Cleveland was 2-6 going into the game.

A lot of this past game is on Allen himself, as this thread shows.

Agreed. It's because he loses prime time and playoff games to Belichick -- as opposed to the Bills, who lose to BB in untelevised 1 pm games every year around September 25 and December 15.

Clowney was given up for a song. That was a terrible trade by Houston and a great one by Seattle. He's one of the most dominating players in the league and incredibly underrated because of the focus on raw sack numbers.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001027521/article/seahawks-agree-to-trade-frank-clark-to-chiefs-for-draft-picks Clark had been tagged by the Seahawks.

Pro Bowls are a joke. He was good for the Bills. Just ask Bill Belichick, who is at root a DB coach. I would bet a lot of money that he would have commanded a first.

I have to agree with MajBobby here. Knowing what we know now -- that NE snapped him up and paid a fortune for him -- it's pretty clear that the NFL saw Gilmore as elite even if TBD posters had their doubts. CB is the most valued position on the defense now, and a young one who has proven that he is good is definitely worth a first.

Tre White is a flat-out elite player who is a top five CB in the NFL--and CB is the most premier position on a defense these days (even more premier than RDE).

SF was totally screwed by the refs on the terrible ball spot that led to the failed FG. The RB clearly got the first down.

Thanks. I didn't know that. Given that, they'd basically on the hook for about $1 million-$1.1 million (his base is $2.4 million).

very, very fair. Yes, but he's like a tiger in the tall grasses of the savannah at this point given all of the uniform changes.

If you pick him up via waivers, aren't you on the hook for the fifth-year commitment because you're basically picking up the contract? I'm not sure, but there is a contractual obligation to pay him that $9+ million, right? If so, he's not going to be picked via waivers by anyone. Do you know the answer to that?

I just did some research on him. People covering the Bucs say he's been absolutely terrible this season, and he only played one game last year. The year before he missed half the season. The only full season he had was his rookie season in 2016. Basically: numerous injuries + poor play + bad attitude (the lack of hustle issue isn't the first time he's had problems) = getting the axe. Them picking up his fifth year option is just bad management, which is explained I guess by the fact that they're a very bad organization.

SF was completely jobbed in that game. On that third and short play in OT, the RB *clearly* got the first down. It was a terrible spot.

Not putting too much stock in this, but he appears to be having a pretty bad season. Here's Wallace: https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/levi-wallace/25445. And here's Hargreaves: https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/vernon-hargreaves/10645

I think the bigger question driving the conversation is whether he's a good matchup zone player. If he is, than I suspect McDermott will take him seriously. The fall-off in Wallace's play has to be concerning for him.

If by some chance he falls to the Bills, they should grab him immediately. He's a big talent upgrade over Johnson, if nothing else, and will give Wallace competition. Regarding Wallace, he's had a tough couple of games, but his overall performance is moderately OK. He played well early on, and players at the CB position do have ups and downs. But he's physically overmatched too often. Interesting fact: he's the fifth most targeted CB in the NFL in 2019, and has given up the fifth most receptions. Part of that comes from playing across from Tre White, of course. But if he's the fifth most targeted guy and giving up the fifth most receptions, that tells me he's average.

If Al Edwards made the block he was supposed to make, Thomas would have gotten to the 15 yard line. He whiffed, and the rest is history.

The lack of turnovers is pretty alarming.

Again: What is the context of the teams he has coached for? Why did Nick Saban hire him? Why does Belichick keep hiring him? Who were his quarterbacks on the teams he coached for?

That's not what he's saying at all. He's defending him for not throwing to Beasley because it was cover zero and he had to make a decision instantly.

No offense, but I'm starting to think it should be a house rule to post surrounding context (Who is the QB? Who is the head coach?) when evaluating coordinators. He was an OC in Denver under Shanahan and an OC in Texas under Kubiak. Basically, Curtis Modkins. Also, when he was the TE coach in NE, they had the most productive TE game in the league. Hmm ... I wonder why ... could it have anything to do with the players? I saw what I saw with Dennison, and he couldn't adjust to what he had in Buffalo. At all.

The Pats keep hiring him back, and the best college coach in history hired him. I also think that in the coaching fraternity, there is a TON of respect for McDermott. It could be the case that he thinks he'll make his name by developing a QB. Allen has incredible talent, and maybe he sees that. The thing is, he keeps getting hired. The pay for these coordinators is pretty much the same for most teams across the league. Look, I'll never forget the pile-on that occurred with Dan Henning, a bona fide good NFL mind. He failed in Buffalo because Todd Collins was his QB. He goes to the Jets, and Vinnie Testaverde has the season of his life. Finally, Daboll, for all of his flaws, is basically 1000 times better than Rick Dennison, who I thought was awful.

No, they all suck. Seriously, look it up. They only one you can claim actually regressed was Cassell, but Cassell genuinely stinks and somehow got lucky before then. I refuse to countenance the idea that he's ever been any good. This is the classic Daboll season: start out with a truly terrible QB (Chad Henne), and then bench him for a career backup (Matt Moore) who then goes on to have a decent season. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/2011.htm