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agreed. But let's be honest this team was done after that sloppy 0-2 start vs. 2 very beatable teams. The first one the O laid a total egg. The second the D laid a total egg. And that's pretty much the Bills of the last 20 years for you. A lot of inconsistency and a lot f eggs laid. Still no closer to having the QB we need to finally turn the corner either. Tyrod was exactly where I wanted to see him in the SEA game. 4 chances from the 10 yard line to win the game. Couldn't get it done. Not bad, but he's just not good or consistent enough.

Good. Ill take the weak roster until you find a qb you can build around. Then once you find that guy stop taking qbs and start using all your high draft picks to build around that qb. Being really bad fir a couple years and having opportunities to get a good qb is a better option then endless 8 win seasons, imo.

Well Whaley had 3 chances to draft the guy "he really liked". So he must've not "really liked" him enough. I've been banging the drum for the Bills to draft 2 QB's every draft because it's so painfully obvious you're absolutely no where as a franchise without a QB that can sling the ball all over the field, something the Bills haven't had for 20 years. Doug Whaley's philosophy has been much different. He's a run and stop the run type of guy. You saw what that philosophy looks like when you go against teams that have decided they are going to dominate you with offense, particularly the passing game...... and beat you on Sundays. The Bills still are trying to swim upstream with their backwards philosophies and until those philosophies properly match with what wins in this league (passing) this team will continue to waste away in no mans land.

Tyrod will never be a good passer. He's fun and exciting. He's better than what we've had the last 10 years. He's also wildly inaccurate, has problems seeing the field and throws nobody open (as Mike Mayock says) He is a guy who can keep you afloat, and maybe if everything breaks right get you 9 or 10 wins. He'll never be the guy and never consistently take his team to the playoffs. If I'm the GM there's no way he's seeing $28.5M in cash next year. He's not worth half that amount. 17 years into the playoff drought and the Bills are still in no mans land, IMO.

I don't want Gilmore on my team. He can't locate the football He has poor ball skills He can't tackle (someone needs to teach him low man wins, can't tackle someone at the neck) He's a defensive holding penalty waiting to happen He takes no responsibility for his own poor play Just look at that picture posted of him blaming his teammates before Hogan has even crossed the goal line. That's an embarrassment and deserves a benching. I will gladly take the 3rd or 4th round comp pick for him to walk. I wouldn't want him for $4M a year, to be honest.

I don't want Gilmore on this team for $5M a year let alone $14M a year. He has no ball skills. He's a defensive holding penalty waiting to happen. He can't snap his head around and locate the football And lately......he can't tackle anything I don't know why he continues to try and tackle people uo around the neck, instead of wrapping up low, but he's really embarrassing himself out there. Thank god the Bills didn't give him the long term extension he was rumored to have turned down, I dont want him on this team PERIOD

$10.5M is more than Id even want to pay Gilmore. I think theres a team that might consider giving him $12M a year, and uf thats the case the Bills would be smart to let him walk. Get a 3rd round compensatory pick and reallocate the money you saved by not signing him else where

Your question boils down to one thing: Do you think Tyrod Taylor is a good QB capable of winning a Super Bowl? If you think the answer to that question is yes, then you could entertain the thought of trades. If you think the answer is, no, like me.....then you stand pat. We still need a QB. Tyrod is not the guy, and I don't think hes worth the $27.5 Million in cash he will cost in 2017. And until you have a stud at QB......all the other positions just don't mean all that much

Alright. Thanks

I'll be in Austin this weekend for a wedding and want to catch the Bills game. I'm assuming it won't be on T.V. down there so I'm looking for a Bills Bar or any good bar with Sunday ticket. I'm sure some of you on this board will be able to help me out. Thanks!

I know this topic has been discussed, but I wanted to point out how disappointed fans, coaches and players have the right to be in Marcell Dareus. He's a superb player, but his antics and behavior off the field are a real source of concern to me: Since his extension which paid him over $25M in cash last year and over $15M in cash this year he has been a total disappointment. 1 - Last year he had 2 sacks. That's by far the worst of his career (5.5, 5.5, 7.5, 10, 2). 2 - Takes a banned substance (maybe ADHD, maybe pot) that costs him the first 4 games of this season. 3 - We find out the Bills front office didn't protect themselves financially from massive contract guarantees if Dareus gets suspended, which has happened before. An indictment on the front office here. 4 - Team isn't shy about getting word out that Dareus is going to rehab, only to find out weeks later there was no rehab at all, unless you consider visiting Bruce Smith rehab. Just an odd thing to put out there and then have not happen. Makes me wonder if Dareus kind of "blew off" the PR stunt. 5 - In his first week of practice after week 4 he severely pulls his hamstring costing him the next 2 games and at this point it's looking like possibly more Point #5 really bugs me because a pulled hamstring in practice points toward the fact that his body probably wasn't toned, stretched and ready to go. He looked to be in awful shape pregame and on the sidelines of the Rams game. Looks heavy and soft. I'm hoping he comes out and dominates like he should when he's ready, but I'm just so pissed as a fan that he's not on the field. And with the money the Bills are paying this guy I really think he's on thin ice. There's no more time to tolerate his continued poor decision making, and the only thing he's proven thus far is that he can't be depended on to make good choices, and that's a shame. Just think of what $40M last year and this year could've done for our offense. Your talking about being able to afford some seriously good players in FA for that type of coin. That's part of my philosophy on why I don't want to resign Gilmore for massive $$$. I'd rather save that money and spend it on our offense. I'm still not ready to see Dareus go, but I'm concerned this won't be his last misstep and I think his next might be his last as a Bill, if that makes any sense.

I gotta hand it to the guys that will cheer and defend no matter what the stats or the big picture show. We are dead last in passing and it should be a major concern to any fan. I want the Bills to win and be a good team just as much as anybody else, but our QB is not playing well. That's just the truth. If we want to be a good team year in and year out, we need to draft and develop a good QB. I think with each passing game we are beginning to see that Tyrod is probably not that guy, unfortunately.

I don't want to resign Gilmore. I don't really care to resign Woods. I think both are replaceable particularly Woods. I actually don't want Gilmore for even $10M per year, which is much less than what he's looking for. I'd be happier to save that money, redistribute it to the offense and get a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick for someone else signing Gilmore to a big money deal. This team needs to focus on QB's and WR's in next year draft/FA.

This is why many informed Bills fans aren't confident in this team. You can't sustain success in this league without a consistent and effective passing game. Can you get lucky, catch a lot of breaks and maybe sneak into the playoffs? Yes, it's possibe, but you better be awfully lucky. Id rather be good then lucky. Unfortunately, the Bills offense is poor and the passing game is ugly. You can't sustain a winning formula with it. And the most concerning part is Tyrod looks bad. He's making a couple of nice plays with his legs, but he's regressing in the passing game. Abandoning the pocket too quickly, bad footwork and poor accuracy. Was hoping to see a bit of an improvement in all of those categories over last year, and to my eye they all look worse. This is why many informed Bills fans aren't confident in this team. You can't sustain success in this league without a consistent and effective passing game. Can you get lucky, catch a lot of breaks and maybe sneak into the playoffs? But the Bills offense is poor and the passing game is ugly. You can't sustain a winning formula with it. And the most concerning part of that stat is Tyrod looks bad. He's making a couple of nice plays with his legs, but he's regressing in the passing game. Abandoning the pocket too quickly, bad footwork and poor accuracy. Was hoping to see a bit of an improvement in all of those categories over last year, and to my eye they all look worse.

If I'm the GM of the Bills I let Gilmore walk. He's not a difference maker. I'd let him walk and pickup the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick the following year for losing him. I will add that I think, Gilmore and his agent have overestimated his value. Other believe the Bills were in the $11-$12 M range with him, but Gilmore was looking for $14-#15M. Just because the Redskins handed out a foolish contract to Josh Norman doesn't mean the Bills should follow suit. I actually think $11-$12M is too much for Gilmore. I'd rather see that money invested on the offensive side of the ball.

His post loss press conferences are always worth a watch for a laugh. Very, very unhappy man after he loses.

I'll take credit for reading the tea leaves correctly on this one. I've found that what you begin to hear from the more trusted sources on Sunday night and Monday morning tend to be the more accurate ones. The spin and deception begins once the coaches talk to the media Monday afternoon....and then you have dummies like Rappaport and Schefter fully buying into the spin by Friday and putting out their own erroneous tweets. Like I said there was no way you could 100% know it was going to be Jimmy G.....so the fact that the BILLS felt pretty certain they knew who would get the nod, I always thought it pointed toward Brissett. Now let's see if they can take advantage of this fortunate opportunity.

Another point I forgot to mention: Sigmund Bloom said he thinks it's going to be Jacoby Brissett, on WGR w/ Schoop and the Bulldog on Thursday. This is another guy that knows a lot. I stand by my belief that all signs point to Brissett

Here's what we know as of early Friday morning: 1 - The Bills coaching staff believed they knew who was starting at QB since Monday 2 - A reputable former NFL doctor who tracks NFL injuries stated that a grade 1 sprain would cause Jimmy G to miss 0-2 weeks and that a grade 2 sprain would result in a 2-4 week absence. At the time of injury (week 2), he indicated it'd be a close call as to who came back first Brady or Jimmy G. Meaning this Doc thought Jimmy G's likely return would be no earlier than week 5. 3 - John Clayton on WGR, said that although he's no DOC he believed that it looked like a grade 2 sprain that Jimmy G suffered and he'd have a tough time playing this week. 4 - Sal Capaccio tipped his hand a bit this week on WGR stating that he was surprised to see the Bills have such a "physical pad popping" Thursday practice. He then went on to reason that perhaps they were getting ready for a heavy dose of run on Sunday with Brissett as QB. 5 - Many sports books still have no line on the Bills Patriots game, indicating they are unsure what QB is playing. However, the fact that the opening line favored the Patriots by 3.5, indicates that Vegas, as of Sunday night, believed it was going to be Jacoby Brissett. With Jimmy G the line would've favored the Patriots by closer to 7 points. Keep in mind the Patriots opened as 6.5 point favorites at home vs. the Dolphins with a healthy Jimmy G. 6 - Finally back to point 1. There is no way that the Bills could be 100% certain it's going to be Jimmy G for all the reasons I've stated. When the Pats decided not to sign a FA QB last week it was clear they were comfortable at least 1 of the 2 QB's would be good to go. No way they can go into a game with just Edelman and no other QB's on the roster. With all my detective work (!) it leads me to the following conclusion: Patriots starter: Jacoby Brissett Patriots backup: Julian Edelman Clearly this is the best case scenario for the Bills. With Jimmy G playing the Bills would be about 3/1 underdogs, with Brissett they are going to be around 2/1 underdogs. Still tough to envision a win, even against a 3rd string QB, because I think their coaching staff will totally outclass ours and I'm also very concerned about Tyrod Taylor's play. I think his play has been the most concerning aspect of this season by a long shot. He is weak in all facets of the game he was weak in last year, and he seems to be abandoning the pocket quicker this year, which really has me discouraged. Let's hope he steps up big time, because he needs to play well in order for us to steal one.

This is a very good question and one I contemplated in the offseason if Sammy Watkins were to get hurt. It's why I thought the Bills would definitely target a WR high in the draft. I happened to absolutely love Sterling Shepard. You can check my all my posts about him during draft time. The Bills chose another route they decided they needed to go heavy defense.....in a league that is driven by offense. It's one of the main philosophical reasons I think there needs to be a total house cleaning at One Bills Drive. The thinking behind the way this team has been assembled is a flawed one....and it will be on display yet again today for everyone to witness.

Anybody surprised Sammy Watkins is out after tweeting late last night he's "ready to compete at the highest level". Just another in the long chain of oddities with this guy. Why the hell would you ever say that and be out? There's clearly some type of disconnect between him and the org. And if his foot isn't broke/fractured I don't quite understand how getting your foot stepped on would cause one to miss games. Can anybody envision any scenario where we win today?

I was actually thinking about Haley last week. There's no denying his offensive numbers with the Steelers. It's everything I wish we could be on offense. I also know I want our next HC to be an offensive guy. With that said Haley would be a tough call. He was so unlikable & "douchey" in KC. I can deal with that if he's a good HC, but you'd have to do a lot of work on him to be confident in pulling the trigger of him being the guy to lead the team. Their is definitely some baggage. I'm pissed we didn't hire my favorite the first time around, Hue Jackson. Still think he was the perfect fit for Buffalo, and likely would've retained Schwartz.

No especially not in Buffalo. The Bills are no where near having a playoff caliber team year in and year out. Why is that? Because they don't have a QB that is really good at passing the football. Until you have that piece in place there is no point in handing out big $$$ contracts to any defensive player. They make almost no difference in win replacement value. When a Gilmore or for that matter a Dareus miss a game the betting line for a Bills game doesn't move at all. This team needs to bottom out and find that guy that can sling the rock, then begin to worry about signing the pieces around him.

Yea if Pegula's were fooled by the allure of Rex Ryan how can we trust that they will do any better the second time around? If Whaley actually preferred Hue Jackson, maybe Whaley can be trusted because that would've been a reasonable choice, but we still don't know if that's the truth or not. Just like we don't know who actually wanted Rex Ryan as head coach. That's why I've always preferred that one man make decisions, that way that 1 person can be held responsible. When your left to guess was it the owner, was it the GM, was it the "snake oil salesmen marketing guru" Russ Brandon that made the choice it's just to convoluted to hold someone responsible.

I have to be upfront about this: I had to unfollow Joe Banner on twitter, despite his knowledgeable football tweets, because he is so liberal and anti-Trump......but with that said I read a bunch of his tweets from today and he clearly hates Rex Ryan. I think most of him are right there with him. Would he be the right guy for the job if we are to clean house. I'm not sure he is because he seems to really like Greg Roman, which is a concern, because I don't want a OC who doesn't pass the hell out of the football. Just throwing it out there. How about Kevin Kelly, the HS coach who never punts and always wins. How would he be for head coach. Joe Banner ‏@JoeBanner13 1h1 hour ago sign a player with off field issues who gets suspended. Your 1st pick had an injury. How are you shocked when 1 is hurt the other suspended Joe Banner ‏@JoeBanner13 49s50 seconds ago Joe Banner Retweeted John Kryk Classic. So if it's a mistake it's on owner not Rex. This is all so predictable Joe Banner added, John Kryk @JohnKryk Wow. @alexmarvez reports HC Rex Ryan "leaned on" by #Bills front office to whack Greg Roman: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/rex-ryan-bills-use-greg-roman-as-sacrificial-lamb-to-appease-the-fans/1fpf513y2je6z1en0lh0lydq5m Joe Banner ‏@JoeBanner13 2h2 hours ago Joe Banner Retweeted Adam Schefter Classic Rex. Had the entire off season to evaluate this, & after 2 games fires a gd coach. Never looks in the mirror