Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

If Hardy figures it out by next seaosn, you may have that person there. The one other offensive need is a top notch center.

It's only guaranteed as long as DJ doesn't get hired by another team. If he gets hired by someone then RW is only on the hook for the difference between what his contract in Buffalo paid and what he's making elsewhere. In that respect RW's being cheap helps him as if he were to go to another team as say a coordinator, it may pay close to what he was getting here in Bufflao as the HC.

Had to read your post twice as I thought the last word was extention. Only a couple letters apart. The question I have is did DJ sign an extension or not?? If so I just cna't see RW eating the entire thing, though he sometimes does have a boiling point that this season may have gone beyond. I also do think he listens more to the fans than we realize, and know's if he brings back DJ he'll have a tough time selling tickets. That being said, I'd be surprised if he cans him IF they did sign an extension. Regarding the list of potential people to bring in. What has Jason Garrett done that either Greg Williams or Mike Mularky didn't do when they arrived in Buffalo? I think Williams even had more years as a top coordinator than JG has at this point.

Maybe Lindell felt bad that he was the only player not getting ripped this aeason, so wanted to feel more like part of the team.

JP has five times the physical potential that TE has. I will grant you that. But beyond that he's shown nothing. From the mental part of the game he's never even come close to TE on TE's better games. I don't think anyone is stating TE is the savior because of potental, but you'd be a fool not to give him adequate time to develop to determine if he has potential or not. TE has looked brilliant in some games and terrible in others. Though even the Jets and Miami game I really can't fault TE totally as there was absolutely no other offense that entire game besides what he did, both good and bad. And yes "JP has had his share of comebacks and nice throws" but it was never really part of a brilliant game that I recall. He'd have some great throws, but still look weak two plays later. I think the best game I saw JP play from start to finish was last year against the Bengals. Maybe the Miami game where he had the three bombs to Evans, but they still lost and other points in the game didn't look that great from what I recall. One or two years from now TE may still look the same, great one week terrible the next, and if so then you know you need to move on there too. But I'd be awful reluctant to give up on a guy that has in some games looked as well as he has. You need to determine beyond a shadow of a doubt whether that potential can be turned to consistancy or not. And anyone who claims to know TE or any other QB will or won't be good is full of crap as if you really had those answers you wouldn't be posting on this board but be working for some NFL or college team. If you predict he'll fail the odds are in your favor of being right as many more QB's fail than succeed.

Yes it was debatable as to who looked better, however it was kind of comical as JP looked the same as he always has. Usually a backup can be somewhat effective as you game planned for the starter, now the D has to change gears a bit. I actually thought JP played well in the Az game as a backup, but not good enough to generate any kind of big contract in the off season. Todays play though I think definitely cost him money as he was as bad as he ever has been. He proved he's nothing better than a back up. Before today I would have argued that he has a change to go to some team that needs a QB and compete for the #1 job in the pre-season. After this showing, I doubt any team would even give him that much. Maybe compete as the #3 going into camp with all three viing for #1, or possibley a solid backup role? I think todays showing proves that it wasn't that he got a bad shake from the Bill's, but it was deserved. What you saw today was JP at his best. And BTW, I was a former JP defender

What do you mean?? Does someone like the FAA monitor the shows and can pull them for being uncoopertative or something? I'd certainly assume they could get fired if their ratings get low, and/or sponsors pull the plug on them. I reca ll when he was an up anc coming star, thoughts were he'd be on ESPN soon. Maybe that's his problem, he's just become a bitter, fading, never was who's stuck in Buffalo and has a wife that makes more money and is likely smarter than him.

No I didn't expect perfection. However it was kind of comical as JP looked the same as he always has. Usually a back can be somewhat effective as you game planned for the starter, now the D has to change gears a bit. I actually thought he played well in the Az game as a backup, but not good enough to generate any kind of big contract in the off season. Todays play though I think definitely cost him money as he was horrendous. He proved he's nothing better than a back up. Before today I would have argued that he has a change to go to some team that needs a QB and compete for the #1 job. After this showing, I doubt any team would even give him that much. Maybe compete as the #3 going into camp, he might hope for or possibley a solid backup role?

I agree that's the question. Did he sign an extension as if he did, I just can't see RW eating the entire thing. Here's a thought, knowing RW, he sometimes does like to pull a fast one. Did DJ and RW agree on an extension, got all the details ironed out, DJ signs it, gets faxed to the Bills for RW to sign. RW sits on it, figures wait till after the upcoming game, they lose, so then RW figures lets wait another week, they lose the next three, RW now tell's DJ, geee I can't find the contract you sent me, sorry. I mean RW did agree to an extension at the end of the year with JK back in what 1996, but then JK played terrible the rest of year and RW didn't sign the extension. Notthat I disagreed with RW in that situation as JK did play terrible his last year.

The ref never said it went beyond the LOS, he stated it was near the LOS and according to him, that's good enough per the rule. By challanging you can't force the official to pull out a rule book and read it to verify that he got the rule correct. That's not the purpose of challanging. It likely wil lbe one of these things that comes out around Thursday that the offical was incorrect but it won't change anything during the game.

When you challange a call you're asking the officals to review the video of the play to determine what really happened. You're not asking them to read the rule book. It sounds like from what others are saying, the ref blew it by not knowing the rule, however I doubt a ruling can be changed via a challange becasue a ref interpeted a rule incorrectly. It's there for the purpose of correcting things that were not seen corrrectly due to speed of play. In some other sports, a misinterpetation of a rule (which sounds like this may have been) can be protested, but I don't think there's a protest process during the middle of an NFL game.

Well the only difference will be the names of the posters as the same thing happened with TE playing. It's all part of being right. If you were a supporter of TE for every bad pass that TE makes, it helps prove you're right and smarter than everyone else so you're going to post. Conversely if you stated JP sucks, for every bad pass he makes, it will help prove those people are smarter. That's the thing that matters most, looking like you really are smart!

Try Stoogetv thta works fine for me every week

I can't recall a team ever tagging a backup player. Cassell could sign the tender, then NE is on the hook for paying a backup top 5 of all QB salaries. People throw these franchise tags around like they are candy. Many are suggesting franchise Greer. He's doing well, but again not worth top 5 money and if I were Greer, if the Bills tag him, I'd sign the tag in a second as I doubt he'd ever come lose to that as a FA. Same with Cassell, though he may be reluctant to stick around another year as a backup.

Mztt Millen may not know that!

The problem is though how do you know who's going to be good?? Dallas was expected to be a Super Bowl contender and they likely still are a contender. Seattle won the west last year and was expected to probably win the division again, but they fell apart. So last April you knew Tenn-Detroit could be two struggling teams, in the end Tenn was good. But you'd have thought Dallas-Seattle would be a good game. The only way I see to improve it is to pick the teams/game about a month prior to the date, maybe Nov 1st. But that's tough on a team to tell them Nov 1st, they are playing on a Thursday instead of a Sunday, and tough for the people who bought tickets. It's one thing to change from 1:00 to 4:00 or even 8:00, but to change the date by three days would be tough.

So our #1 pick played well today. On the other hand, was Hardy even on the field? I wonder what he did last Monday that got him so far into the doghouse??

After a safety the team kicking off has the option of a punt OR a traditional kickoff. 9 of 10 times they punt as it has more hang time. That is why they cal lit a free kick as the kciking team has a choice. Actually it only works IF there is time left on the clock. If you punt and time expires, the half or game is over. In 40 something years of watching football, I've seen it happen about three times, but missed it today. I've only seen it happen at the half, and don't think I've ever seen anyone actually make the kick. As was described, the team who makes the fair catch can try a field goal without a rush from the spot of air catch. With no rush, maybe the guy can kick it 60 possibly 70 yards or so. Realistically the team will only attempt it if there are only a few seconds left in half, as if there's more time left, they'd attempt to run a play or two. Usually the team has no time outs left, again else they may try and run a play. It also usually would only work out if the team who punted, punted from deep in their own territory. Say they punted from the 5, he makes a 50 yard punt, so you fair catch at your own 45, that leaves you with a 65 yard attempt. If the punt was from out much further, say the 20, even a 40 yard punt would leave you with a 70 yard attempt, so unlikely to attempt. At that point, you'd figure odds are better for a Hail Mary, and/or defenseive penalty. You really need to end up in a situation where there's not enough time to likely get into better field goal range without running out of time. Again say a fair catch from your own 45 with five seconds to go. Thats a good spot to try as to get into better conventional field goal range, you probably would need to gain 20 yards. With only five seconds to go, it's unlikey there'd be enough time to gain the 20, plus have time for the kick. Actually there was some game just last week, where I thought it was going to happen. The player took a fair catch and the announcers were all over for fair catching, when he probably had a good 15 yards of running room. My guess is he was instructed to take a fair catch so they could try the free kick. Forget what happened next, but the free kick was never tried. I almosthought it was Parrish in the Cleveland game?? Know it was some game I watched last week.

WEll I must say it is a bit easier for me to be outseide as I live down in NC so eve nthough it has bee ncold down here., I'm outside in a sweatshirt!

What the hell happened? After RL kicked the field goal to make it 23-17 , I went outside ot do something over halv time. Come back 30-17 and Bills are on the KC 20??

IF it's true that DJ signed a 3 year extension, in no way can I see RW fire him and eat three years on a brand new contract!

Wasn't Andre Reed also a 7th rounder? Granted there were more draft rounds back then.

People who play great in their last contract year are usually people who at one time were stars, or at least up and coming, then the past year or two tailed off, so now they want to show how good they are. JP was never good to strart with, so base on what he's shown, doubt he has it in him to be good. Considering the games they lost even thoug honly one game out, I really don't think they have much of a shot at the playoffs. Two of their wins came agaisnt NFC teams and the other three against teams that won't likely make the playoffs, so head to head or common game wins won't help there.

Is it?? What good does winning get you if it's not good enough to make the playoffs? You can argue that you want to create a winning enviornment, but would that really impress or charge up teammates to do it with JP only to see him leave at year end. I'd agree with it IF the Bill's had a good shot at making the playoffs, but at this point they are playing for next year. So in that case, is giving TE as much playing experience as you can a better choice? You also do need to figure out if TE IS the answer. Is this a slump, being confused by things he's never seen, or as some claim, his arm is too weak, or is he too one dimensional and now that D's figured him out, he'll never amount to anything? Personally I don't think this is the case, but no one knows for sure. So play him to find out!

Huh??? JP is like what 6'-4", Flutie is 5'-7" Flutie had a weak arm, sharp grasp of the game, great pocket presence, and knew when to use his legs JP has a cannon for an arm, appears slow to pick up things, no pocket presence, was goodwhen he ran though took off too late. If Flutie had even half the physical skills of JP, he would have been better another Brett F, but likely with less ints. The first year here he was great, but once teams figured out he doesn't have an arm strong enough to consistently make throws to the sidelines, they'd clog the middle and leave a spy on him to pick up if he took off on the run. Once they figured that out, he looked weak.