Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Yes we need an upgrade but you don't take a RT at #9. If they were to trade back to the 20's and take a RT, fine, but at #9 would rather see the WR or LB.

Pat Sajack?? Does that mean Vanna White is coming too? She still looks pretty good for an old lady!

I'm not so sure. From what I recall and granted wasn't following Tenn all that close, but I think Schwarz was more in demand for a HC position than Pettine was now so could make the argument that his resume was more impressive at the time. The only reason Pettine got the HC job was cause Cleveland is a 3 ring circus. Schwatz has taken a hit in recent years for his HC job in Detroit, but as many said he may be a better DC than HC. While his HC job didn't go all that well, he stil ldoes have experience even at what NOT to do, so I think having a DC with HC experience is a good thing as will be better at seeing the big picture than Pettine would have given us this coming season if he were still here. Marrone may use him for a sounding board about ideas he has, even Hackert could benefit from his HC experience. Overall I think Schwarz experience over the years as a DC was just as impressive as Pettines was. Add his years as a HC even though may have been bad, no way is he a step down. We could do worse next year, but may be more due ot injuries and other things, but I think coaching wise are in good shape.

The might part depends a lot on which side the trade is coming from. If Baltimore is pushing the trade then we may just offer our 1st for their 1st and 2nd . If we're pushing for the trade, we may have to throw in a 3rd to get them to agree, or to make it a bit close our 1st and 3rd for their 1st, 2nd, and 4th.

Agree, if that was the third choice I would have voted for that instead. We need guards more, plus didin't I recall Martin getting shuffled from Left to right side. So which is he?? If you brought him in would be at RT and are their better options for RT??

Likely they will argue in court that in Canada, the 75 must be changed to kilometers, therefore they exceed the distance so can do whatever they want. Eh!

But is there a better story line in Miami?? Those are the only two choices,either Buffalo or Miami will be playing that day in Detroit, so when you consider that is there a better storyline to play? If Miami had just won the division and looked to be coming on strong, maybe could argue they'd be a better game, but difference in talent between the two isn't very much, and Miami did play in game was tit three years ago against Dallas. Maybe they want to play up the bullying in Miami some more??

No you're correct, not formally, but certainly could help sway things if same other team has been there the last couple of times

Alot of the un-diciplined comments about him are more related to being a HC, as a coordiantor, not all that troubled by it.

Mularky was also from the Steelers, but wouldn't call him a total failure either. I really can't think of any ex-Steeler coaches, or front office that have been terrible. Donahoe had issues, but more personality related.

I believe two years ago, Miami played at Dallas and seem to recall the malso playing at Detroit on Thnaksgiving day recently too. So certainly could argue it's our turn.

So when Schwartz became the DC at Tenn, did he follow Greg Williams who came to Buffalo? Kind of ironic.

It's also quite a bit different here with the Bill's compared to other teams. Someone pointed out how Green Bay didn't give teams permission to talk with Alex VanPelt, but to me that's completely different. Here's the Bill's lost their DC, could have at least interviewed O'Neal for the vacant DC position, instead totally bypassed him and brought in a new guy who's styles might not even align that well with O'Neal, then to refuse to allow him to interview for a promotion that you wouldn't give him consideration for looks very unprofessional. If Pettine hadn't left and there wasn't any opening here that he'd been bypassed for, could see them refusing Cleveland, but not in this situation. As has been pointed out, what goes around comes around, in this situation the Bill's did the correct hing and allow him to move on if he wants. Actually this was kind of similar to the Bobby April situation where he was bypassed and was not at all happy about it.

Well from reading the O'Neal thread I'm sure many people will be posting here how the Steelers should NOT allow the Bill's to talk with him.

I'm sure the reason for the B is Manual todate is pretty much an incomplete. Hard to overcome a first round incomplete!

Just read on Bill's Daily that if O'neal goes to Cleveland the person they are looking at is Don Martindale from Baltimore? Don't know if his contract expired to he's a FA or what the deal is. This report was from an Ian Rapornport or something like that?? Wouldn't seem to let me copy and paste it here.

These guys have coached all their life, they want to keep coaching, Swartz may be around here for awhile as considering everything thta went down in Detroit, can't see him getting another chance that fast. Then again Belechk got a second chance after Cleveland. Between thier won/loss record and his personality, kind of surprising. But then again it was somewhat of an unusual situation with him the Jet's and Parsells. Trying to recall how that went down. We went with BP to the Jet's as the DC, then Kraft hired him as HC right before BP quit and then thet Jets' tried to make him their HC?? Or was it the opposite order??

No actually their idea was to reward the Jet's and Giants (and Cowboys in prior years) for putting up much of the money for a new stadium. Their reward is a Super Bowl, in the case of the Jets/Giants it also happens to be in a location that could get alot of snow, so the league is selling it as a having a cold weather game is the motive and the appeal as they figure putting the real reason out front would just make them look more greedy. But because of that they do need to have more alternative plans. It does make you wonder about the prior games played in Detroit, Minn, even Indy were their contingent plans those years? While the game itself was weather proof, the same argument could be made ofr the safety of the fans attending, but never heard a word about any other ideas.

Channel 6 At least for me it is down here in North Carolina!

So sounds like even if the ex coach gets a job in the TV booth or being a motivational speaker, any monies received offset the salary owed by former team. I would have expected it to only include actual NFL team money, but apparently not.

They are of little value without fast arm speed!

Correct he doesn't have a legal say, but it appears it is a rule to allow coaches under contract to move on to HC positions, I always thought it was also allowed for position coaches to move on to coordinators positions without being able to stop them. From what I've read here this week ,teams can block that move. But I think if a team did block that, while Roger may not be able to prevent them, the team would likely be told that the NFL isn't pleased with their actions, and you really don't want to be in the NFL's doghouse not over something like that. And as I also mentioned what goes around comes around so at some point the Bill's may be looking at another teams coach, as professional curiosities, teams don't appear to block these moves. With bringing in a new DC, I think the likelihood of the Bill's blocking any move goes down even more.

What goes around comes around. Do that to the Browns five years down the road their coaches may be coaching on six different teams, Bills are looking to talk with some coach and they make tell their management, screw them the way they screwed us. That's why teams are running by professionals, not vindictive fans

I don't think it has to do with marbles nearly as much as allowing coaches better opportunities and wouldn't want to be viewed as a location that stops coaches from getting better jobs.. If Cleveland wants one of out coaches as DC, would be shocked to see the Bill's stop particularly now that we nave a new DC hired. If Schwatz for some reason doesn't want O'neil makes it easier. I also think if we did not allow someone to leave for a better position, likely we'd be gettign a cal lfrom Roger asking to explain.

Is Pettigrew an upgrade over Chandler?? Obviously he first has to sign here for that to even be up for debate. Looking at his stats, doesn't appear so?? Maybe he's a far superior blocker?? We could upgrade from Chandler, but if Chandler was our biggest need, we'd be in pretty good shape. Wouldn't mind seeing the CB and FS signed.