Coach Tuesday

So go golfing and let us discuss it.

This is what I’ve been saying.

Reckless posting.

Have to assume they have some positive intel on this guy from all of the scouting and backchanneling they clearly did with the Kentucky program.

But your theory does not explain why they did so much work on receivers leading up to the draft.

I think that’s exactly right. Philly last year proved again what Gettleman taught Beane years ago - keep taking swings at DL and if you hit on one or two, you can flip the field in your direction.

Completely agree. Beane is a CEO-style GM and I suspect he relies on his various lieutenants to advocate for their own individual silos. You’ve got a defense-oriented HC who devotes most of his time to that side of the ball and you’ve got a green OC on offense. They’ve basically admitted Allen was plugging for the Coleman pick last year and now this year is staying out of it - take that for what you will but it was notable that they spent a lot of time with Xavier Worthy and seemed to really like him and then went ahead and let their rival have him perhaps so they could draft Allen’s preferred guy. And now Allen has promised to go golfing during the draft prep and let the scouts run the show. My point is - yes, very unclear who Beane is even listening to on that side of the ball when it comes to draft strategy.

I continue to think it’s something different: they trust their own abilities to evaluate certain positions more than others. They felt they needed to come out of this draft with players who will become starters and they KNOW they know how to evaluate DBs and blockers. They also must like their ability to evaluate d linemen though their track record there isn’t quite as good (but perhaps they are leaning on the new coaches there). They may feel far less confident in their ability to evaluate WRs and felt they couldn’t afford to lose out on the sure thing upgrades to the roster. And honestly can anyone here explain what it is the Bills value and are looking for at the receiver position?

This is where I’m at. I like the haul, but question the Day 3 strategy. They simply lack the same urgency on offense that they have with the defense - the times when Beane aggressively “goes and gets his guy” are nearly always for a defensive player. I know he traded up for Kincaid but they need to do more of it. They just lack urgency and proactivity when it comes to the offensive side of the ball and I think it’s because how they’re structured as an organization - they are a defense-focused group and they trust their ability to evaluate players on that side of the ball. But it’s frustrating.

McGinn’s 10th-rated CB: Often overshadowed in a secondary that included free safety Caleb Downs, strong safety Lathan Ransom and cornerback Denzel Burke. “When it came down to it he was kind of the glue, he and the safety from Alabama (Downs),” one scout said. “He might ultimately end up playing better than their other two corners (Burke, Ole Miss transfer Davison Igbinosun). I think his talent level will take him a long way because he’s smart and he’s a leader. He played nickel for them but probably should have been starting outside to keep him on the field more. He’s a jack of all trades and he could be the master of all of them. He has no problem covering guys outside or taking on linemen and making tackles.” Clocked a solid 40 at pro day to go with a vertical jump of 41 ½, best among the corners. “He was their best corner,” a second scout said. “He’s more ball denial than interception but he has the ability to play the ball. He can play nickel, safety, any position in the secondary. Athletic, good tackler, great feet, can run, strong, smart, great hips. Like him in press and off coverage. Little bit inconsistent to shed blocks. If he’s in the box as a nickel he can get pushed around a little bit. He’s dynamite.” Missed the first six games of 2022 with a hamstring injury. Started 23 of 41 games over four years, finishing with 98 tackles, three picks and 14 passes defensed. “I just like the way he handles his body and the way he moves around,” said a third scout. “He was a position leader. I’d say he’s probably third day, fourth or fifth round.” Rated as the No. 4 corner in the U.S. coming out of Suwanee, Ga., in 2021.

Please don’t nerd-derail this thread.

Yeah he is really the same guy but younger.

From Bob McGinn: Said one scout: “He’s as big as they come. In the trenches you’ve got to play with some type of leverage. He just stands up way too often and gets pushed around a little too much. It’s still a big man’s game and he has some ability when he wants to. He just needs the right environment. He’ll probably end up in Philly and be great.”

Is someone really arguing in this thread that Jordan Davis is the reason the Eagles won the Super Bowl????

Ayomanor still available yes?

Bob McGinn’s 8th-ranked EDGE: Played five games at LSU in 2021 before starting 31 of 37 games for the Razorbacks from 2022-’24. “Tough guy, brings energy,” one scout said. “Not that athletic for an edge. Little bit upright and rigid. At the point of attack he’s too high. Doesn’t have that leverage, but he fights. If he can get his long arms on you he has a chance. Angle blocks get him just because of the body frame. As a rusher, he uses his hands really well but just isn’t explosive getting around the edges. Big, tough, smart. There’s a role for him. He’ll never be a star or a top talent, but the type guy that will make other people around him look better.” His vertical jump of 40 ½ led the edges. Arms were 33 ¼, hands were 10. “He’ll be a functional starter,” said a second scout. “Not a bad bender. Good strength. Uses his hands and length really well. Stiff in change of direction. Just average speed. Sometimes it looks like he’s running in place. Hands and feet don’t always work together. Just more of an effort guy as a pass rusher. Better against the run. He’s a big base left defensive end.” Finished with 116 tackles (28 for loss), 16 sacks and five passes defensed. Dominated Alabama A&M tackle Carson Vinson in the Senior Bowl game. “He’ll check off every box as a human being and the measurables,” a third scout said. “He’s sort of stiff, but with his numbers he might go first round. You’re getting a tightly-wound defensive end who plays hard and can cover some ground.” Four-star recruit from Texarkana, Texas.

Looks like he’s straight out of the House of Harkonnen.

Not looking likely…

Bob McGinn’s 8th-rated DT: Fourth-year junior. Redshirted in 2021 and didn’t start a game until ’23. “The Carolinas are notorious for these type guys,” one scout said. “They got size, mobility, twitch and they’re still getting better in their third and fourth year of college. It’s a D-line rich area. He’s a country kid, raw, with huge upside. Really good first step, really good power in his hands. Showed that he can win with quick, showed he can win with power. Former basketball player so the movement is obviously there. He’s a second-rounder all day, top 50 player. He can play a 4 to a 5 (technique) but on nickel and dime he can probably get away lining up inside. That’s what everybody’s looking for: a guy that a good 4i, can play 5-technique, maybe align over a tight end. But, in certain packages, all of a sudden this guy’s in a 3-technique giving the guard something different to work with. That’s gonna be his big value.” Started 16 of 39 games, finishing with 109 tackles (18 for loss), 9 ½ sacks and six passes defensed. “They had some horses on the edge so he was more interior,” a second scout said. “He was borderline first round last year. He can play anywhere. He’s really athletic. Got heavy hands. He can bend, redirect. When he wants to play hard he can be really good. He’s got some typical D-lineman immaturity and work-ethic issues but that guy’s got a ton of upside. He’ll be a sneaky pick for whoever takes him. The reports out of there indicate he’s not really ready for all this.” Arms were 33 1/8, hands were 10 ¼. Graduated in December. “They’ll tell us when you walk through the door he might be their most talented player,” a third scout said. “But the attitude and demeanor … he’s a big-time underachiever. He’s never really put it together. He’s probably going to be disappointed on draft day. They tolerated him … but he underachieved there.” Averaged a double-double as a prep basketball player in Marion, S.C.

Can he return kicks and punts?

Janoris Jenkins

The crying here is SHOCKING. His CEILING is Wilkins and he’ll likely never hit it. And even with Wilkins they never beat us.

Walter has us taking Revel and I agree his site is full of ad junk. .

That’s good because that’s also what you sound like.

Not sure how I feel about hearing your voices - never meet your heroes! EDIT: started listening, it sounds like Schoop's brother and Mr. Peanut 🤣 In all seriousness thanks for doing this guys this is great.