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This doesn't remotely fit Coleman. Heading into the Draft, almost no one here liked him as a prospect and even less wanted him to be our pick. After he was Drafted, we all had hopes that he'd succeed - as we do with all Draft Picks. But there was no hype from the fanbase over him. Just hopes that were pretty quickly dashed.

Nope. He was the 8th WR off the board. Marvin Harrison Jr. (4th to Arizona), Malik Nabers (6th to New York Giants), Rome Odunze (9th to Chicago), Brian Thomas Jr. (23rd to Jacksonville), Xavier Worthy (28th to Kansas City), Ricky Pearsall (31st to San Francisco), and Xavier Legette (32nd to Carolina) all went before him.

No, he was a 4.5 guy. I remember obsessing over the Pre-Draft stuff on him and Marvin Harrison in 1996, knowing one of them was likely to be ours. He made the most of his 4.5 and was a guy that looked quicker than his timed speed, especially when he'd get in the open field. Unlike Coleman who somehow looks slower than his 4.61.

There is truth to this. He sucks. But options like Xavier Worthy, Xavier Legette, Adonai Mitchell, and Ja'Lynn Polk aren't much better. Guys like Ricky Pearsall and Ladd McConkey were Slots that we didn't need. Even Troy Franklin - who knows if he would have developed the same way had he not been Drafted alongside his College QB that he had built in chemistry with. The truth is that it was considered an all-time WR class because of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze at the top and BTJ just under them. If you weren't in a position to grab one of them or didn't need a Slot, you weren't in as good of a spot as thought of Pre-Draft. If I was going to crucify Beane for anything, it would be not only not doing but not even attempting to move up 6 spots to try and secure BTJ.

While I agree that Josh was able to do something that you don't generally see, I don't think it's a comparable situation. He had an Elite bag of tools to work with. Keon is physically limited. There's nothing that can be done about his speed (or lack thereof) or his body type. Even if he became bigger and stronger, it would just serve to make him even slower.

Travis Henry says "step your game up!"

No one's saying he didn't. That's not the point though. You're simply comparing catch and yardage stats. You're ignoring that he wasn't on the field on Offense anywhere remotely close to as much as Coleman has been. Moulds wasn't a starter. He was behind Reed and Early. He was more KR than WR during that time. Coleman has been WR1 in the X from the jump.

Those stats don't tell the whole story. Keon Coleman was a starter from the word go. He has taken *way* more snaps than Moulds did on Offense in his first 2 years. Moulds had Andre Reed and Quinn Early above him on the Outside those two seasons. Not to mention Steve Tasker emerging as more of an offensive weapon. Coleman has been the #1 Outside WR on the team from the jump. Moulds was more Kick Returner than WR those first couple years.

The difference is that Moulds had attributes that Coleman simply doesn't or won't be able to have. Moulds wasn't nearly as limited as Coleman is, even when he was a year or two into his career. He just had to put it together and develop. The talent was always there, he just had to gain confidence and cut down on the drops. He may improve from what he is now. But Coleman is never going to be a 4.5 guy like Moulds. He's never going to be as physical and as powerful as Moulds. He's never going to have Moulds' frame. And I doubt he'll ever have the "dog" in him that Moulds had.

20 million of the 30.8 were very unhappy? Huh? Most fans of other teams I know *hate* the Chiefs. There's no way 2/3 of the people watching that game were rooting on Kansas City. There were def more rooting on Buffalo than KC and probably a lot more with no dog in the fight that walked away happy just to see another Allen/Mahomes "must see TV" matchup that delivered (as always). Ain't no way PFT is labeling the Chiefs "the new America's Team" bc of the ratings. The big ratings for the Eagles and Bills facing them have more to do with a matchup of known good teams and for tuning in to see the Chiefs get beat.

You could be right. My definitive wording of "only" was probably a mistake. Though it is possible that their focus is on the highest possible pick they can get over accepting a pick that they perceive to be of a lower value plus another pick. But ultimately, even if that idea is correct in a vacuum, I think trading a 4th and a 5th in 2026 plus a 4th in 2027 is a worse option than just beating it with a 3rd. Three picks for a half year of a player like Rashid Shaheed is madness.

First off, I've said this a million times already, but the price wouldn't have been a 4th and a 5th for us. If New Orleans has the option of a 4th and 5th from Seattle or from us - they're going to take (and did take) Seattle's. Our record is the same, yes, but historically we make it further than they do and consistently pick below them. And we have a team led by Josh Allen. So for us to get him, we would have had to have beat Seattle's offer. Which we could only do with a 3rd. But beyond that, I think the even bigger issue was that it was 2 picks in the coming Draft. If it were a pick in 2026 and a pick in 2027, that would have been more palatable. But in a year where we only have 7, dropping 2 of them and only having 5 picks is rough. Especially for a guy you only have for half of a season that is more of a role player than a #1 WR.

I saw him run down the field to get in on a tackle. Was impressed to see a big man run someone down in the flat from behind. After going in the 2nd Round, he tore his meniscus in his left knee in the season opener and missed his entire Rookie year. Then he had a bad calf injury in Training Camp and and was once again put on IR until November for his 2nd season. His third year he stayed healthy and played in 12 games but was waived by Washington as a "Draft Bust". The Jets claimed him, but cut him after Training Camp as they had a pretty stacked DT core. This is essentially his shot to show the injuries are a thing of the past and prove he isn't a bust. It's a very similar idea to us giving Jordan Phillips a shot in 2018 after the Dolphins declared him a 2nd Round bust. Except Mathis had to earn it from the Practice Squad. Said it in another thread, but I find it telling that they signed him while he still had one more activation left over a guy like Zion Logue who has been with the team longer and has no more activations. Hopefully the story goes the same way it did for Phillips. It would be a wild story if he went from a 2nd Rounder in 2022 to his career on the line on a Practice Squad in 2025, but through hard work and 3 injuries at DT - got his 2nd chance and reclaimed what his career was supposed to be.

Everyone likes to question Strength & Conditioning but one thing i've started to wonder about is if McDermott pushes guys too hard throughout the week. On top of the injuries week to week, we seem to have a lot of injuries occur outside of Game Day.

So they initially released Kristian Wilkerson alongside Jimmy Ciarlo, and having an active roster spot opened up by Hoecht's IR. But it seems like it was a procedural move to sign Jonathan and Couch on before they moved Mathis to the 53. He's now back: