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Dude Clod Collins gotta be in this mix someplace... People dont remember how good Lamonica was before we traded him away... bad move... bring on Dennis Shaw....

So I hated our Superbowl defenses... but in their defense... No Huddle gave the other team 3 to 4 more shots at the ball a game... This is the discussion I was looking for... maybe it should have been who is the best qb Kelly or Allen... my argument for Allen is... Kelly, Reed, Lofton, and Thomas... Give Allen 3 Hall of Famers... but... chicken and egg... except Lofton... are Reed and Thomas HOF without Kelly... I dunno... its a great debate for sure....

You blew my next thread LOL name the worst QBs... maybe that would have been a more interesting one... it starts with Hobert and Collins... then it goes from there.

I am sure we are going to get the same players pretty much... I am interested in where they end up in your rankings... I am also interested in where Kelly and Allen show up in your picks... here are mine Allen Kelly Kemp Ferguson Flutie Bledsoe Fitz Lamonica Tyrod Frank Reich

Not sure which is funnier.... McDole as an edge rusher or Maybin actually doing anything but leaving an a$$ imprint on the ground every play... LOL.. So for my money... Best Season - Paup Best Consistent Edge - Schoebel Best Edge/Run - Mario Best Edge/Run/Pass Coverage (total package) - Biscuit

I would say if they were a 3 win team not many are coming in garbage time the other team is probably running and throwing short quick passes... so to that point I feel like they would be legit... that being said, I am not go get him and give up big assets to do this... but hey 10 sacks on a 3 win team is pretty solid...

If we trade with KC again... Ima lose it LOL 😆great topic though... I see what you did there LOL

Yeah, I have two solid weaknesses.... Being a draftnik and projecting salary... I am really bad at both... So if I am asked to wager... Ima bet you are correct over me... just sayin...

Fair enough... literally I am in the whatever it takes crowd... 27mm... 30mm... I think it is that important if we want to get over the top...

You did not drop a Panos on me.... this means war! I will see your Anderson and Panos with the epic Punt Catcher Chris Watson... and raise you a Reggie Rogers

agreed, and I would rather pay 24mm for a game wrecker than say... I dont know what 15mm for Rousseau... we need someone that will raise the level of play of those around them as we have a lot of holes... The whole pay little money for Toohill and Ford and Jefferson and Phillips and whom ever else they go get experiment... hasnt worked... the draft has failed us and we dont have a person that teams have to game plan around... so I get your point, but at this point we need to do what we need to do... .thats my opinion.

Agreed, Man and Zone have their own particular weakness and Bene... in the end its about in what situation do you deploy them, what does your personnel allow, are you getting to the QB with 4, does the QB run, and what are the other teams tendencies.. In the end I have been on record as saying that I hated Babiches anticipation in game planning... he was fine adjusting, but was clearly not in tune with what the offensive game plan was going to be and how to take it away.... that to me was the biggest issue, not zone or man... but in the way it was deployed

Sign Rousseau... sure... but sign him with the awareness of how streaky he is and in really important games he seems to disappear... that should factor into the money equation... the reality is that I feel it is gonna be a Tremaine Edmunds situation.... where player is ok... never gonna be a game wrecker, we aint gonna pay him like one, but some one will and then will regret it.... That said... you get him on a good deal I am fine with that... otherwise look to upgrade thru the draft... or however, cause he isnt so good that we cannot upgrade... Now, maybe a game wrecker on the other side and a big body in the middle that requires a DT helps him out but he is not a Watt or Bosa or Parsons Garrett etc.... (although a bit more durable...at least recently)

I do agree here... literally, the only position not in need of an upgrade is Benford's, that doesnt mean the rest are trash, it means that you have no consistent game changers... and lots of players with some very serious flaws... Epi, Oliver, Jones, Rousseau, Von, all inconsistent with flashes from time to time... Rousseau being the best of the bunch disappears all too often.... Douglas is fine, but not a lockdown corner... Rapp and Hamiln are not good enough... Maybe Rapp could be a marginal starter with a really good partner.... Williams and Bernard flash at times... Bernard more often than Williams... but they struggle to get off of blocks and if they are not creating turnovers really fail to consistently make big plays... Milano despite the fact I love the guy is simply injured to often and unavailable too much... I suspect that he is in a place of diminishing skill... in the end... you cant over haul the entire defense, nor pay everyone... but the failure of the drafting is becoming so evident that is is impossible to ignore... We can go out and sign FA etc... but this problem will not be resolved until our drafting hits professional level status... the best we can do at this point is go pay for a game wrecker that will hopefully help the level of play for those that surround him.... and look to upgrade those positions that we can... with respect to our current defense THE ONLY person I am paying bucks to in a big way is Benford...

Congrats KS and thanks for handling this between you and the Bills and not like a Diva on social media...

They dont really even need to ban it... they just need to say on a run from the line of scrimmage snap the player cannot be pushed from behind... that will limit it significantly.

I agree it is a coaching strategy... for sure... trying to get him to work... and refine in the offseason... as far as reading too much into it... that is where I separate... I think both Beane and McD have come out to the press and euphemistically called him out.. that is really not there modus operandi in that building, I think when it happens it means they are disappointed and serious... just may take on the underlying meaning... that said... it is the offseason and I tend to read into things LOL

Agreed here... what makes me pessimistic about him is that he lacks the raw ability to create separation... but so did Largent, Welker, heck even Andre Reed wasnt a speed merchant... so clearly it can be done, but if you dont possess the raw freak ability you have to use your brain, refine your technique, work your craft, learn to take advantage of those attributes that you have that got you to this place... his seemingly regressive production thru the season combined with his appearing to have his head out of the game is highly concerning to me with any player but especially one that isnt loaded with raw talent... His head and hard work are what will make him successeful... study and refining his routes.. DB tendancies etc... if he isnt going to do that... and run it back like he did at the end of the year he is done... bust. If he learns his lesson, realizes he is a young pro and everyone is super talented and goes to work on his craft and focus... then he may be good... I think ultimately that is what Mc D is saying... "I think he will grow" in coach speak means... dude better grow and grow quick.... "How much is up to him" means... not impressed with his work ethic, he needs to focus on being a professional player in a mature way or find out there are plenty of folks out there that can do what he can and there is a warm seat right next to Kair Elam if he dont...

I am with you Forrest!

I saw Matt the other day hanging out with the hangman Geoff Hangartener and keeping it real with Chris Villareal... just sayin... good dudes... but they can totally put away wings and beer...

Wow thats really digging it up... ok ok... I will see your Jeffcoat with a Marcus Stroud and raise you a Robert Royal... LOL...

Sorry Mike not piling on... everyone has injuries... this can no longer be an excuse... year after year after year... or you need to consider your ownself in the make up of the team and their dexterity, size... scheme whatever... so not buying this... they need to win the games... with whomever is available... win or dont... no refs, no injuries, no jinxes, no Josh and Stefon got in a fight, no snow storm made them tired shoveling, no well it was a long end of the season and they were emotionally tired... the more excuses you hang on the less you do to accept you problem and fix it... we have been trying that for 5 years... There is no try... there is do or do not...

I agree.... I think that this is their way of saying... you want that kinda money... go find it and tell them to call us... cause like he literally just turned 37... who is gonna trade away premium picks to sign a 37 year old QB to an enormous multi year contract... and no Cleveland and the Jets dont count... cause we know they totally will LOL ... Pittsburgh seems smarter than that... at least with Russell it wasnt more than 1mm or something reasonible for 1 year... However, Tomlin is on the hot seat.... he may push for it... but in the end when does Pitt commit to just drafting their guy.. and stop kicking the can... This will be interesting to watch play out... desperation causes interesting decisions...

Anyone remember Kawika Mitchell... LOL

Pay for the game wrecker... do not look to the draft that may be one in 2-3 years.... focus on getting a person like that... but push the chips and go get a difference maker that we know has proven to be a difference maker in the league... Time is now. But but you look so good in white!