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Unless the Defense has some kind of resurrection that I am not envisioning... Definitely top 10... I would think about 6 wins would be my number... top 5 would have to be pretty disastrous.

You had me at judging wet T Shirt constests... I said to myself... now why didnt I think of that LOL

Oh dude I completely messed that up trying to change people around... I should literally ditch it LOL its a lost cause...

So you are basically saying Kelly was more fortunate that Josh... I wont argue that... maybe thats where the confusion is, I think when you say someone is better at something than some one else, most people view that as they have some causative effect or skill that propels them... so your statement was not with regards to comparing them as QBs rather just random people... then I suppose add to your list... Kelly is a better beer drinker than Josh too... just sayin...

1. Allen 2. Mahomes 3. Jackson 4. Burrows 5. Goff 6. Hurts 7. Stafford 8 Stroud 9. Daniels 10. Herbert 11. Purdy 12. Love 13. Baker 14. Dak 15. Maye 16. Nix 17. Lawrence 18. Tua 19. Gino 20. Kyler 21. Ward 22 Williams 23. Young 24. Darnold 25. Rodgers 26. Penix 27. McCarthy 28. Fields 29. Russell Wilson 30. Richardson/Dimes 31. Flacco 32. Shough

Its hard to put Josh ahead of our legendary QB... right... but in the end... Josh does things that Kelly could never do... his ability to run... throw off of a scramble ... avoid drive ending sacks... Jimbo never had... Jimbo presence made people a little bit better... Josh, simply makes those around him so much better than I think they would be elsewhere... So I agree Josh is a generational talent..

I am not sure that folks remember just how insanely loaded those teams were... the fact they did not win one was absolutely on the coaching staff... I would rank the defensive players... as HOF/All Pro Smith Bennett Talley Conlan L Smith Odomes I think only Benford fits into this group... Maybe Milano in his prime when there was some healthy time... you could debate Bernard... but Bottom line the defense was stacked... The offense 4 HOFers 8 Pro Bowlers Kelly Reed Lofton Thomas Hull Ritcher Wolford Ballard I think Allen, Dawkins, if you go back to Diggs, maybe McGovern belong in this catagory... Debate on Cook... not sure he really compares at this point to Thurman but sure throw him in. Bottom line is this team was loaded... I can only imagine what Josh would have done in that era...

Sorry got to jump in here... I am failing to see the Superbowl thing, so under this theory, Frank Reich was better than Josh at making in to Superbowl's... or Jamie Mueller... or Gale Gilbert...So are we suggesting we take Gale or Jamie over Josh? So I am not sure if you are just busting chops or being a smidge tongue in cheek... If so, you got me good LOL... as I write this long winded response.... 😆 but if you are not... I am not sure of the intent of this comparison.... Like, Jamie Mueller or Frank Riech or Gale Gilbert should be lauded for their ability to make Super Bowls... ? I guess ... Not sure how this is an assessment of their abilities... or that makes them better than Josh at anything... I suppose you could say, "You said that Kelly was better than Josh at nothing... but I know for a fact he could kick is a$$ in a beer drinking contest...." Ok you got me... that's kinda where I sit... fact, but not a relevant one in comparing two players... Now, If you are saying that it was an actual ability or skill that Kelly had that was better than Josh other than just being situationally fortunate... I am not sure what that skill was... like some clutch gene or something? If so, I would say that is highly debatable... Now If it was just simply situational I am not sure that this makes Kelly better than Josh... if you are arguing Kelly was blessed with more talent on his team in a weaker conference thus made it to more Superbowl's, I wouldn't call this better I would call this fortunate...If you are saying it was some performance or leadership intangible that Kelly had that propelled himself and his team to Super Bowls (remember Frank Riech propelled us as well) ... You are essentially saying that if you magically switched QBs... with eras that Kelly would do better with this team than Josh would do with the 90s teams.... if you are saying that, you are effectively saying that Kelly is better at much more than going to Super Bowls than Josh... BTW Welcome to the board !

I am with you, I am a big believer in longevity, however, I believe when all is said and done he will be known as the best Bill for a very very very long time... generational is rare... he is generational.

So WR and DBs seem to take a minute to develop depending on their maturity etc... so I have hope he grows... I do not believe he will be the 2nd coming of Andre, but if he develops into a really good WR2 I am pretty sure I would be ok with that... Maybe he does have 1WR potential... I am just not seeing that... but who am I.... but give me a Lofton to a Reed, or a Lewis to Butler, Evans to Moulds... etc...and thats solid... lets see how he progresses... too early for me to draw any conclusions especially with an injury that lasted weeks in a season...

RIP Stew.

Tight call... if we had the same defense... its a tie... with our defense of last year... Josh was the MVP for a reason.

I think i feel bad for anyone with a mental illness so I guess yes I feel bad for him.... but I feel worse for his kids the people he comes into contract with and society in general as long as his is out there being an idiot. I hope he gets help for everyone's sake Agree 100% like I said he needs help or more people are gonna get hurt. This stuff doesn't get better it gets worse

Oh to be sure I do not think he should get a pass... but bottom line he is mentally ill imo and needs help... or more people are gonna get hurt.

So, I was kidding lol... like really kidding... but... hey whatever brings in the hardware is good for me LOL....

Dude needs serious help...

Oh dont underestimate our ability to worry lol we gonna find something LOL I will throw 4 out there... 1. Keon got jacked in the offseason looks great.. is this gonna make him even slower? LOL 2. Dalton Kincaid is too skinny but may be faster are he and Keon gonna switch positions... 3. Now that Josh is married is he gonna be distracted? 4. Will Joey Bosa sprain his tounge eating chicken wings due to inexperience? And will he use Ranch dressing LOL.... Hows that? 🤣

His bathing suit wasnt NFL approved so they are going to fine him... the rest... no prob... lol

Well thats a heck of alot better than it could have been... thanks for the heads up...

and lets face it... I am easily challenged... I cant remember names for nuthin....

I didnt know that he must be graduating early... not something a lot of 16 year olds can do... impressive!

SO... that is exactly what I am referring to... lol in both instances I have to stop talking or typing... look up and over to the left and think to make sure I am getting the right player... Now, I have two Dorians... I am cooked and I know it.

Apologizing to the board in advance... At some point during the season I am going to confuse Dorian Williams and Strong... I just freaking know it.... like what defense has two guys named Dorian for crissakes... LOL

Like I really dont want to panic... and he wasnt rolling on the ground... but geez... cmon man too soon... lets just hope for a bit of a strain.

I dont know more than this but I figured I would put this out there for comment may be a nothing burger may be something... dont like when they grab for their knees... or hammys https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-first-round-pick-suffers-injury-during-mandatory-minicamp