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Damn it! Calm down & pull yourself together O'Dell!

& If Detroit doesn't fumble they don't, so turnovers is a wash. This was not a good D they played, nor was Cleveland. The Offense has been underperforming for 4 and a half games (which predates the line injuries). Yes you're right the players aren't executing as well as they could & yes there's been adversity. There's also been some things scheme wise that could be improved. They all need to look at what the issues are & how to fix them as players & coaches. As a first year OC we all knew Dorsey would need to learn to adjust, I think he's working on that, I have confidence he'll figure it out. But I'm not going to say what a wonderful job he's doing based on squeaking by one of the worst D.s in the league (as this thread suggests). Pats, Jets & Phins are on deck & they won't be so easy. They have set a higher standard & expectations. It's SB or bust this year. He & the players can, should & will do better. Go Bills.

This IS the year! SB or bust. It's why they got Von. If not now when? If they don't win it this year w/ all the looming cap issues, they risk becoming the 2000's Rivers / Tomlinson Chargers, or 2010's Roethleisberger / Antonio Brown Steelers - perennial pretenders. It has to be NOW! Anything else is a terrible disappointment.

I agree with you, criticism should be productive and specific, not knee jerk. Unfortunately frustration & emotion often shows during/after games. But there are some good specific questions getting asked based on what some experts have pointed out. Like as Sal Cappacio / Joe Bascaglia mentioned with Dane Jacksons struggles what is the reason he hasn't been replaced, is it injuries or do they think he's better than Elam, Benford, or even Rhodes? (there may be several reasons). Or as Greg Cosell pointed out Dorsey doesn't run a lot of bunch formations with rubs and picks to help scheme receivers open, instead relying on them to win 1 on 1, which only Diggs has consistently been able to do, so does he need to make changes to incorporate more of this as he adjusts as a 1st year play caller? (again there may be a counter point to that). Those discussions are worth having. But again I agree with you just saying fire everyone (even though the thought might cross everyone's mind in a moment of panic when Detroit took the late lead), doesn't really advance our understanding of what problems they're really having.

Respectfully, It's not "insanity" to notice the team having issues and discussing those issue and the causes behind them. Be it injuries, players performance, or yes, even coaching decisions. They ALL play a part & are fair game for discussion. That's how we figure out what the real issues are. The key is being constructive & informative. (Like the post about injuries not being as big an issue had a chart & showed us being the 5th healthiest team). You have NFL analysts (Greg Cosell, Joe Bascaglia & others) noticing issues with the offense and play calling (Detroit was last D in pts allowed 28, we scored 26. They & the Browns are worst D's against the run). It's fair to wonder what improvement Dorsey, McD & Frasier could make. Just like wondering what players they can aquire, or what players could improve. That is not "insanity" it's part of being a fan & the point of this board. At the end of the day, no matter anyone's disagreements we're all routing for the same team. Go Bills.

Need Ed to keep playing elite for a while. The DE position is a MASH unit.

Yeah, thought the same thing. I'm definitely done with these Thanksgiving games. Make KC play them. I'd like some breaks to start going the Bills way. Frustrating.

Past success is not indicative of future success as they say. Fact remains a number of concepts from last year, which other teams use, are not being used (stack formations, rubs & picks). You can see the offense is struggling, experts like Cosell can see it. So the question posed here is what adjustments can Dorsey make schematically & play call wise to get things running smoother on offense.

There's reports saying if he can brace it he can play & get surgery after season, but if he can't & has to have surgery now, then his season is done. (Per Rapsheet quoting to Rapoport). So back to wait & see.

Lions are dead last defensively in pts allowed averaging 28.2. They also have the 2nd worst run D in the league (Browns have the worst) & they were missing their top CB. We, the #2 scoring offense scored 26 (the D got 2 w/ the safety). & We punted 3 consecutive times for the 1st time this year. Hardly a stellar day by Coach Dorsey. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-points-per-game

I get he's a Rookie, but he's got a lot of talent to work with & we are in a SB window. So question is schematically how can he adapt & improve to help the Offense reach it's full potential? (We may be #2 in pts but we're #18 in the RedZone 53.5%, so still leaving a lot of meat on the bone).

Here's team stat & rankings link. While the overall seems good, the RedZone rank #18, Completion % #23, and Time of Possession #20, & Sack % #9, all stand out. Then there's the player stats link. It's really telling looking at receivers. Diggs is a disproportionate share twice as many targets as Davis who's 2nd. Knox is tied with Davis for same # of catches this year. But TGT% (catch %) is really interesting. Diggs, Knox & Singletary are 70+%. Then McKenzie 66%. Davis is just 55% and everyone else is below him. That's a big drop off. Kind of goes to Cosell's point that only Diggs can consistently win his 1 on 1. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team/buffalo-bills/stats https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/BUF/buffalo-bills/stats/regular/

Thanks. That's a great find. Would not have guessed that. Also, interesting KC & Philly have been healthier than us.

Thank God the ACL's ok. Now praying the miniscus is ok. 🙏

Greg Cosell & Tasker have a real interesting take on problems with Dorsey's scheme / play calling (14:45 - 16:22). Expects WR's to win 1 on 1 every time, doesn't stack them w/ rubs & picks to scheme them open. Tasker points out there's no quick slants to get the ball out quickly & early to take pressure off the O-line & Josh. Watching the last 2 games it's noticeable (though he did call screens that just didn't work. & The quick 5yd pass to take the cushion yds was a nice adjustment yesterday). My kids pointed out that when Davis motions back to the formation it's a run every time. It was a pretty predictable tell yesterday (I imagine the Lions saw it on film). The Offense struggles lately are reminiscent of last year, which they turned around. I get they're dealing with injuries, guys aren't executing & Dorsey is a 1st year OC. But I'm interested to see what tendency / issues they have that they can change scheme / play calling wise to get back on track. Thoughts?

We had this same thread last week. He was 2nd worst catch % in the league (51%) & Tied for 3rd most dropped passes in the league. Those were his stats after last week's game, not sure if this week improved him much.

Missing only 1 starter on offense going into the game, Morse. Lost a 2nd in Dawkins. So that's not solving the offenses issues. & We don't seem to get more guys back than we loose each week, so I wouldn't count on that being the magic fix here.

I get their going through adversity, but every team does. Detroit was down their best corner & 2 guards. They're the 2nd worst run D. We made them look good on D. After a month of meh play I'm getting sick of the excuses, oh it was too hot in Miami, oh we're missing so & so, etc... 31 teams have excuses, only 1 gets a Lombardi & this year that 1 should be us. But if they don't round into form quickly then we'll just have another season of excuses.

What is with all the high ankle sprains this year? (Oliver, Kumerow twice, Edmunds, Brown, Elam, Morse, Rousseau, Dawkins). They need to go with a different shoe, make changes @ strength & conditioning or something. This is ridiculous.

That's great for the locker room & the team. 2 wins in 5 days on the road isn't easy. I get they're weathering adversity & injuries. But the coaching & execution has to improve a lot, quickly (especially on offense). Right now they don't look like a team that gets passed their 1st round wild card game & no speech is fixing that.

Don't let him end up with the Chiefs or Ravens. 🙏

Jackson is awful & has been awful for several weeks. McD makes 0 adjustments & stubbornly insists on playing him (bc Tre's hurt & the other 2 are rookies). But the lions targeted Dane today successfully. NE is going to go after him every play. It's similar to how McD reacted to Nathan Peterman. McD should get asked some tough questions this week. (Doubt he will).

Dorsey's play calling, O-lines issues, & lack of consistency from WRs are bigger issues than Josh. He makes up for a lot of these things. He's consistently covering for them & having to make up for their deficiencies. I have serious reservations that this team can do anything this post season w/ Dorsey as the OC.

Wrong guy. Dorsey should be on the hot seat. D got a turnover & a safety, while missing 5 or 6 players. Offense was anemic against 2nd worst run D in the league missing their best corner. The Offense consistently leaves the D out to dry. Dorsey is not very good. He may get better, but we don't have several seasons to wait for that.

Had him on mute. If I don't hear it then it can't jinx us. My wife said that when she muted it. She's brilliant, or her family didn't want to hear it. 🤷🏻‍♂️