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Neither do I. Tre White WILL be back. The question is how much of his ability will be back.

Your sentiment seems to be that an opinion that is negative in nature can not be rooted in fact or reality and that the positive side of the possibility must be the correct answer. I guess we differ in that respect. I follow whichever way the evidence points me. Agreed. Thats sad.

Apologies for making a duplicate thread.

As do I. A previous poster mentioned their N=1 sample of their son playing high-school basketball after an ACL injury. Unfortunately, the NFL DB position puts a bit more strain on the ligament than high school athletics.

I understand not reading a post that you're not interested in. I do not understand not reading the post, but then still commenting on it. The studies are from 2022, 2019 and 2017. All recent. Nothing old. All relevant today.

I love the energy. Im with you.

This post may draw some knee-jerk reactions of anger, but please know that it wasn't written to make anyone upset. Unfortunately, the topic is naturally upsetting - We all love Tre White and want him to return to his typical dominant play. To that end, I've done some research on ACL injuries in NFL players. The common refrain from NFL fans is that ACL injuries are no longer the career-ender they once were, and I wanted to see if that was true. Unfortunately, research on players returning post ACL surgery is not optimistic, even in the modern era. One study, Return to Play and Decreased Performance After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Defensive Players published in the The American Journal of Sports Medicine (2017), shows that: After the season of surgery, athletes in the ACLR group who returned to play decreased to 57% games started and 2.38 ± 1.24 solo tackles per game, while their matched controls suffered no significant decreases. (link) And the result of the study indicated rather succinctly: Players who successfully returned were above-average NFL players before their injury but comparatively average after their return. Another study, this one published in 2022, titled Return to Play and Performance After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Players shows similar results. Published in the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine, the results stated: Of the eligible players, only 28.5% (n = 59/207) remained in the league 3 years postinjury. Within the first 3 years postinjury, players played in fewer games (8.7 vs 13.7; P < .0001), started in fewer games (3.0 vs 8.3; P < .0001), had lower AVs (1.5 vs 4.3; P < .0001), and had decreased snap counts (259.0 vs 619.0; P < .0001) compared with preinjury. (link) The conclusion of the study is no better: The study findings indicated that NFL players are severely affected by ACL injury, with only 28.5% still active in the league 3 years after the injury. Running backs, defensive linemen, and linebackers performed the worst after injury. v Lastly, a 2019 study that examined ACL tears in Wide Receivers (I used this study because the WR position requires similar impact on the ACL). This study is titled Decreased Performance and Return to Play Following Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Football League Wide Receivers. Published in The Arthroscopy Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation issue, the study found that: When we compared the tear group with the matched control cohort, players with ACL tears ended their careers on an average of 1.9 seasons earlier (2.2 vs 4.1 seasons, P < .001) and also played less than half the number of games (25.5 vs 56.6 games, P = .001), respectively. Those that RTP also saw decreased performance statistics in targets (353.6 vs 125.2 P < .001), receptions (208.0 vs 74.4, P = .001), receiving yards (2691.0 vs 987.9, P = .001), and touchdowns (17.4 vs 6.2, P = .002). (link) One potential good tidibt: "no significant differences were present between preinjury and postinjury in-game in all in-game statistics for the wide receiver" Overall Conclusion? Concern. There is a legitimate chance that Tre never returns to the level of play he showed in 2021 and prior, and there is a potential that his career will be shorter than we once thought.

Coping mechanism. And that’s not judgment from me. It still stings for me as well and I try to avoid any OT footage.

I fervently disagree.

1) The host is funny but he does curse. A lot. So may be NSFW for some people. 2) I really like that it is obvious that he did his homework. No hot takes or generalizations. I learned quite a bit about the divisional moves from this video. I hope you enjoy it as well.

I find this to be an odd response, considering that you don't now my age.

“[PFF] is a complete liability, it’s a lie,” says Lewan in the video. “Do you know there’s NFL football players who go and pay $50,000 a year to PFF so their numbers are inflated?” https://atozsports.com/nashville/taylor-lewan-makes-statement-that-completely-discredits-pro-football-focus/

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/239842-whatever-happened-to-aaron-schobel/?do=findComment&comment=7749944

My apologies then: On the main Bills forum it has a moved icon next to it and I had to click it in order to get here. So I assumed it was moved.

I’m not a moderator and have no say, but this should have been allowed to stay on the main forum for at least today.

How.... fun?

To me, the wall is equally about what the player meant to the team and community, as it is about their onfield accomplishment's. I realize that not everyone shares that sentiment But it is mine.

I’m not sure if you’re genuinely not understanding or if you’re just trying to start a fight. But if it’s the latter, I don’t engage in fights. I walk away. One last time. There are about 6 teams that most people think are the front runners to win the AFC this year. All but 1 of those 6 (the Bengals) have a bye week that is within 1 week of the Bills bye week. Aka, it’s fair.

"Frontrunners to represent the AFC"... Bills (Week 7), Titans (Week 6), Raiders (Week 6), Chiefs (Week 8), Chargers (Week 8), Bengals (Week 10). That's 6 teams.

Relativity matters. Who are the frontrunners to represent the AFC this year? Bills (Week 7), Titans (Week 6), Raiders (Week 6), Chiefs (Week 8), Chargers (Week 8), Bengals (Week 10). With the exception of the Bengals, every expected-to-be-good team is within 1 week of the Bills bye week.

The 2022 NFL schedule has some good news for the Bills. Buffalo has a +13-day net rest differential on its 2022 schedule, according to Seth Walder of ESPN. That’s the most favorable rest differential in the NFL. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/13/nfl-schedule-makers-gave-bills-a-key-advantage/

No one should be put on the wall before Fred Jackson is. No one.

I may take a gander.

People say there isn’t a bad seat in the house, but I disagree. The club seats are where to be. Without question. From the sight lines, to the concessions, to the nicer bathrooms, nothing else in the stadium comes close.