stevestojan

Boyst, you SOB! I even thought about the spelling and still missed it.

Yep - I agree we’re not that far apart but I do indeed know three trans people closely. One certainly suffers from mental illness; . One is an employee of mine, and another is much closer; I’ll leave it at that, and hope others will spare jokes on me saying they are close. It’s family. Not that I need to say but I am indeed married to a woman. As far as discussion in general, I’ve decided that if I’m going to continue to post on this subforum I’m going to use words and tone I would use if I was sitting at a bar next to the person I’m “arguing” with (despite having quit the sauce 4 years ago next month, I do still go to breweries because shockingly enough they are one of the best places - generally - to have lunch with a toddler in tow.) That hasn’t been how I’ve handled this in the past and all that got was - from both sides - ridiculous name calling, hyperbole, and hate. I guarantee 99.9% of the vitriol spat here wouldn’t happen at a tailgate. Wow. Have a great weekend. Get outside.

I have two in particular but I’d prefer to hold on them for now. Enjoying this discussion and I think I’ll get roasted and this will turn south quick if I do. Ok. Fine. You all have been open here; I’ll say the lies/horrific overstating about men being in women’s/girls restrooms. Trans people do exist and do need to pee. And the VAST majority are just trying to do that; pee and move on (sentence I didn’t think I’d ever type when joining TBD ). Will the rare big burly creepy man throw on a dress and make his way to into a women’s room to harass or worse? Sure. But it’s certainly the rare exception, not happening daily like some of the Twitter posts pasted here make some believe. And there are horrible people who will do horrible things in every group. Every one. So I think that’s a scare tactic used by the right to hate/dismiss a group of - almost exclusively - folks who just want to live their lives in the way they feel comfortable. Do I think that means I should be forced to sign work emails with “he/him?” No. But I also wouldn’t overreact if my employer did that. Hope this doesn’t derail things. The second I’ll wait on. There’s an entire other thread on it where I got too heated. But did you actually read any of their replies here? I’m guessing not.

I implore everyone to ignore Homeboy just for this thread. We were doing so well. Dude, can we just have THIS thread? Just one? Eyeroll my posts, then move onto another. Please. Pretty excellent way of summing up a horrible situation. I will argue all day he indeed did not need to die, but the murals, marches, etc are insane. And that training manual that wasn’t allowed into evidence is shocking. While I don’t want this to be a Floyd thread - there are many I’m sure - you put it about as succinctly as I’ve seen. 👍

Wow - I’m really glad I started this thread. Thanks JDHF.

This is one of the better posts I’ve seen here in some time. 👍

If someone said CC is the most important athlete to their sport in any league, I would not argue that point.

Totally fair. Maybe we can all agree the two candidates (and again, I barely consider Harris a candidate since we didn’t get to choose her) were about as low on the totem pole as you could get? But I like your take that it wasn’t a vote for one person, rather the party that matches your ideologies. Thanks.

So - and not judging, legit asking - trans athletes were a bigger issue for you and others than things that impact folks daily, like price of their consumer goods increasing? For the record, I am a registered Dem (duh ) and I agree with you on the men in women’s sports topic. It is interesting to me that no one gave two craps about women’s sports until this, but I digress as I agree with you. As far as Covid, won’t get into that argument, but let’s say I disagree to a point (I don’t 100%, it’s more nuanced in my opinion, but it certainly wasn’t handled well in retrospect) are you saying you vote was more anti-dem than pro Trump? That’s Ok if so, and I get that as my vote certainly wasn’t “pro” Kamala since I never got the chance to pick my candidate after they brought Joe out of his padded room for the debate heard round the world. Thanks for engaging!

One thing that confuses me about the current defense of Trumps tactics are those that state he’s doing exactly what he said he would. Curious as to the thoughts of those that are defending Trump by saying “this is what he promised,” “we knew what we were getting,” etc. How do you respond to this? Understanding many of these videos are often edited heavily this one is truly clips of the man himself and his “promises.” Does this upset you? Do you just consider this another example of him just “being Donald the blowhard?” Do you think folks less knowledgeable and less economically stable than most here thought he would actually do the things he said in this video? Or they “knew” he would do the opposite and for some reason voted for him anyway? (standard disclaimer that I think Biden was top 3-4 worst presidents of all time). Im truly not trolling. I would love to get some conversation going with folks I respect on the other side of the isle like @B-Man and @JDHillFan, (and others). Let’s see if we can be civil. Was this just a case of a politician being a politician and making promises to get votes? My concern is that his promises and his actual actions are polar opposites. Do you think this “temporary pain” is truly going to help folks financial situations “eventually” and how long will that take? https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHcAf9UOc6i/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Another eye roll. Good one! No wonder literally no one can stand you here, @Homelander . What’s your goal on this board? To be the petulant child that you claim is the reason you hate Trump. Eyeroll this one too, but you’re currently no better than the MAGAs you talk about. Starting to think you’re a MAGA yourself and just trolling poorly. 🙄

@Homelander I’m truly curious - not being a jerk - but you responded to my post with an eye roll emoji. What specific portion made you roll your eyes? Maybe we can (seriously) have some conversation about it? Ie, what a message board is designed for. Curious what made you pick that emoji.

Posts like that should narrow the divide. 🙄 Did you see what all three said? They don’t like the man, they wish he would shut up, but for the most part, they like his policies and what’s he’s done more than they dislike the persona. I will say I couldn’t disagree with them more on the politics, can’t even imagine thinking that way; but if we ever have a chance of the country not being at each others’ throats constantly, those are the things we should discuss. I’m not jumping ship. And there are certainly some on here on the right that are nothing but trolls (I’m being nice tonight, maybe just a small attempt at lessening the vitriol here, so I won’t name him but you know who I mean. Uses an up arrow so he can pretend he has the world on ignore; as if that’s some badge of honor. And another who literally only talks hate, never adding to the conversation.) But these three gave reasonable answers to my post. You have to agree there. Or maybe you don’t and let’s just keep calling each other names in perpetuity.

This is the most refreshing thread I’ve seen in quite some time. Well, minus my fellow democrat here. @Homelanderwe were doing so well. The Rs were making valid points and were talking about Trump the man at the moment. We’ll never ever find common ground when the “other side” is engaging someone like me in legit adult talk and you come in a crap on it. Pump the brakes every once in a while man. You and I are much more aligned politically than we are with B-Man and JD but they’re not ***** enemies. We didn’t select Harris. Of all the things people call corrupt I’m shocked there’s not more talk about how that went down. Biden has a horrible debate after being locked in a basement for a year like Jake Fromm, then we dems don’t get to decide who replaces him.

We certainly disagree on him turning the country around, you’re right. But that’s the politics part. The part we’re supposed to be talking about here. And be makes it so easy to dismiss anything positive he’s done because he acts like a spoiled 7th grade doofus daily. But I appreciate both your and @JDHillFan’s reply here. Basically, you know he has personality flaws (I’m being nice to have a civil conversation) because you feel he’s SUCH a good POTUS, the antics are worth it. Fine, maybe I’ll stop calling him your deity. But just you two, to start. 🙂 I’d still disagree with most of his policies if he acted like an adult, but the phone book long list of embarrassing things he does and says makes me truly baffled that the GOP couldn’t find an adult to do the job (remember, I think Biden stunk too). Ok, back to the RFK thread. This being civil feels weird.

That’s fair. The only thing I disagree with (not even sure it’s a disagreement; been a long week) is that I’m just some schmoe on the internet. He’s the POTUS. But I appreciate the candor.

That’s fair. And I edited that (good call out) and added to it. But his blowhard tactics are ***** embarrassing, B-Man. I won’t go all RFK opinion on him; that man makes my blood boil and I end up looking like some of the faaar lefties on here, as I truly believe his “blowhard tactics” are a danger to children (and maybe as a new dad that’s why I get so vested/emotional about it) but for god sakes, can’t Trump have the policies without acting like a child? I have to assume when you watch the news sometimes you cringe? Or say to your wife (or anyone else close to you) “man I wish he would calm it with this nonsense.”

Inciting violence? That’s a stretch. The ***** president of the United States posting something this juvenile? I just can’t phantom how his supporters aren’t humiliated by this guy. i mean it would be odd for any 79 year old; but the leader of the free world? Does nothing he does embarrass you guys? Dare you to reply without mentioning Biden. Just think how bizarre you’d find it if any other head of state used social media this much, much less to post memes. Of himself. Hitting a musician with a golf ball. It’s the oddest behavior and you all just can’t ever admit he’s an overgrown middle schooler. Weird. Violent? Come on. But weird as *****.

At least someone gets it. Thanks for posting some quotes that show some class, grandpa.

Luckily we had Trump to save us from the “Shamdemic” with operation warp speed. Thanks for the vaccine so quickly, Donnie! 👍👍👍 The second it was announced, they had their conspiracy theories lined up as always. No point in trying to educate anyone who actually voted for Donald Trump to lead the country. Haven’t you learned that yet? Edit: and sorry to correct you on this one, but it’s not the Gleason 9, it’s stage 9 cancer. I heard the president of the United States say so himself today.

And now a convicted fellow has the codes. ***** wonderful. Like I’ve said numerous times, Biden was a train wreck. But let’s not be talking about who has the codes. A man who doesn’t know what groceries are now has them. Hot potato! Who’s next? Gary Busey?

He posts a tweet with the following: “I have questions about what was causing the recurring bruising.” I post a photo of his daddy with worse bruising in the same spot. “Bruising doesn’t mean anything!” Wow - the dedication to this man from you is really something else.

Wow. I guess prayers will be going up soon for someone else based on your post.

THAT GUY ISNT THE ***** PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES My point is that your orange daddy came out today to fuel this. For what? He literally has zero self control. What was the point in going on TV to rile up his dolts? He’s doing sooooo much “winning” that he shouldn’t have time to be a disrespectful piece of trash. Thank you!

Seems your case of BDS is far worse than mine. Funny how none of you dare speak ill of your orange daddy and how he just can’t help himself from looking like of complete ***** piece of trash but waiting less than 24H to comment on his theory. “Stage 9 cancer.” I’m glad he at least heard the number 9, but again, embarrassing himself. And you all just can’t call him on it. It’s so ***** odd. I guess he was too busy commenting on how handsome the head of ***** Syria is to learn self control.