SaulGoodman

Which parts are delusional?

Hey, you said it, not me. I think Allen will get at least one along the way. S'all good, man! Well, let's see, as a KC fan....Allen was really inaccurate his first couple years....plus, I've learned on this board that he needs an elite defense across the board and elite offensive talent at every position to get it done, so by the board's logic that number would have to be closer to 0?

How miserable do you have to be to get this upset over a few tame posts? I'm not miserable in the slightest about perceived slights. I was just pointing out the irony of someone calling me insecure, when this entire board has been dripping with insecurity for weeks. What does a KC fan have to be insecure about right now? Mahomes and Reid are now being mentioned in the GOAT conversation (Kelce too), they went back to back in what were supposed to be rebuilding years, and with the right moves, could have their best team ever next year. That's not bragging or rubbing it in....I'm just laughing at the notion that I or KC fans in general are insecure. I'm not sure the fanbase has ever been more secure.

Don't get it twisted....I'm not triggered by anything I've read here. In fact, I'm probably one of the least triggered people on this board, if you've been following the last few weeks. This is one of the most annoying things that people say. Why not take it as a compliment to your board that other fans want to post here? You act like I've been posting here hourly for years, or as if no rival fans (including Buffalo fans) post on KC boards. I generally post on message boards when I need to kill a little time while working at my desk. But I get bored with just a few sites to rotate from, especially if they're low-traffic, so I occasionally seek out others. And this one was interesting to me and has more traffic than most.

LOL. I'm well aware that there are some Bills fans here that give credit to KC, but whatever you say. The "insecure" comment is funny. Every other thread on here is downplaying the Chiefs' success to prop up your team, whining about alleged media opinions of Allen and the Bills, convincing yourselves that KC only beats the Bills due to luck and/or injuries, freaking out over Nick Wright's latest comment, etc.

It wasn't an attack. You're the one being sensitive here. I was just making a point. I'm assuming you don't consider first rounder Elam a luxury, even after two years. And at this point I definitely wouldn't consider FAU a luxury either. He might ultimately be a bust...who knows. But I think you know that some players take longer, especially when they aren't thrown into the fire right away.

Yes, I'm sure. And why would that be so surprising? Don't you guys all think that Allen had a much better season? No, I think Mahomes gets a ton of respect from the media. Not so much here, but I get it. I think Bills fans should be plenty content with Allen. Content enough to acknowledge that he isn't disrespected by, frankly, anyone but Nick Wright...who only does it to troll you guys (and very successfully I might add).

I mean, it probably hasn't been said much since the SB, but there were definitely some saying it before the game in Buffalo. And I remember seeing an ESPN graphic that gave Buffalo the edge at QB.

Where did I say anything about the media? But while we're on the subject, virtually everyone in the media licks Allen's balls, and some claim he's the better QB, despite not having near the accomplishments. Yet many of you pull the disrespect card constantly.

Danna had 6.5 sacks and this was easily his best season. He's not going to keep a really productive player off the field. FAU just wasn't ready for meaningful snaps. Even with Omenihu out, he only saw the field on 9% of snaps. I wouldn't say I'm being very sensitive. Just pointing out facts. I'd say this board is a heck of a lot more sensitive to KC fans than I am to any post or poster. I just find it comical that KC's roster sucked prior to the game in Buffalo, but suddenly Mahomes is surrounded by all pros at every position.

That's like saying that Elam is a luxury for the Bills. KC's first round pick barely played this year and isn't ready to contribute meaningfully.

First of all, mediocre is relative. And I added "stretches"...not necessarily entire seasons of mediocre play. Sometimes they would stumble out of the gate for a month or so. In 2014, NE started 2-2 with two double digit losses, including a 41-14 loss in Arrowhead in which Alex Smith's Chiefs made them look like the worst team in the league. They went on to win the SB. In 2018, they lost to several mediocre teams, including three blowouts. Went on to win the SB. What? Mahomes' defense allowed 36 points in that game. I'll agree that there was nothing special about the throws at the end of regulation, except for the fact that there was a hell of a lot of pressure not to screw up with 13 seconds left in your season. And the fact that Mahomes is a perfect 7 of 7 in those situations in the playoffs. I'd say that's kinda special. Let's talk about some of Allen's throws. Was there anything special about throwing to a WIDE open Gabe Davis multiple times as DBs were falling down or blowing coverages? There's a pretty blatant double standard here. When Allen throws to a guy with no DB within a mile, he's Superman. When Mahomes does it, it's nothing. Mahomes had to be almost perfect in that game to get the win. Completed 75% of his passes, 447 total yds, 4 TDs, averaged 10 yards per run, punted once against the #1 rated defense. The Bills punted 4 times vs a mediocre defense, and people act like Allen had to be perfect while Mahomes had a huge margin for error. You guys say that Mahomes' defense always steps up in the playoffs while Allen's does the opposite, and yet....36 points to the Bills, 35 points to the Eagles, 37 to NE, 31 to Tampa, 31 to Houston, 27 to Cincy, and others in the mid 20s. If Mahomes' defense actually did consistently step up in the postseason, he may have never lost a postseason game. And imagine KC's regular season records if the defenses didn't stink it up so often throughout the year.

Like the other poster mentioned, KC lost 3 more starters in the playoffs, including an all pro guard and their best edge rusher. Also, they were without Mike Edwards vs the Bills. And it's disingenuous to judge all those players by starts. McKinnon wasn't the starting RB, but he had 10 TDs in 2022.

Yeah, there's definitely a contingent here who give KC plenty of credit. I was referring to the other side. I don't consider it praise to just give a little credit to the opponent. I think the Chiefs' defense was terrible in the 13 seconds game, but I can acknowledge that Allen and the Bills had quite a bit to do with it. Same with the 35 allowed to the Eagles last year, etc.

How would you know that? Are you actually studying the feet of WRs on every play of every game? I've seen numerous screenshots of players that were further offside than Toney and it wasn't called. Like I said, it was only called a couple times all year, and it just happened to erase THAT play in that moment. You can't seriously claim that Bills fans wouldn't consider that unlucky if it had happened to them.

Agreed. Bills would not have been 2.5 point favorites if they were as depleted as the fanbase claims. Like you said, Bernard was a pretty big loss and KC took advantage. Just like the Bills took advantage of bums like Sorenson and Niemann in the 13 seconds game, and DBs falling down or blowing assignments every other play.

Nothing random or unlucky? Come on, man. It was literally the first time that had been called in Arrowhead in 25 years and the first time in Andy Reid's entire career. Also, he'd been lining up that way the entire game and they looked the other way until that moment, which just happened to erase a classic play that likely would have won the game. That's the very definition of horrible luck. The reason they started calling offensive offside occasionally this year was due to linemen using it to gain an advantage in the "tush push." The new level of enforcement wasn't intended for WRs. Which is why it was only called on a WR a couple times all year, and they looked the other way at receivers lining up offside every week. Happens all the time.

Playoff Chiefs, and Mahomes in particular, are a different animal than the regular season Chiefs. The Patriots were the same way. They'd have a mediocre regular season or stretches of bad play, and then flip the switch in the postseason and take another trophy. Mahomes is on a different level of focus when it gets real. I remember when the Alex Smith Chiefs blew out two really good Patriots teams in the regular season. Like, annihilated them. But guess who was hoisting the trophy in the end while the Chiefs were one and done? If a KC fan were to view the 13 seconds game as a product of poor defense, would you feel slighted? Doesn't seem like any of you will give credit to a team that's had one of the most successful stretches in NFL history, particularly offensively. And you could certainly make the case that defense was mostly responsible for that, as if you take away just the one instance of the DB falling down on 4th and forever, it's probably a comfortable win for KC. And what no one ever mentions is that KC's defense hasn't been stellar in the regular season OR playoffs until this year. 37 pts allowed in the loss to NE in '18. The next year they allowed an average of 25 ppg and 31 vs the Texans. Including a 24-0 hole early in the game. Gave up 31 vs Tampa in the SB. 36 to the Bills in 21. 27 to Cincy the next week. 35 vs Philly in the SB.

So when they tell someone to catch AIDS, you think they mean it? Like I said, some of them have a crude and twisted sense of humor, but it's obviously not meant to be taken too seriously. Kansas is above average in terms of education and Missouri is around average. KC is a pretty educated city. The less refined or trashy posters you come across are probably from Jackson County. The Kansas side tends to be more refined. But in many cases it's just schtick and they'd probably be perfectly respectful and friendly in person. Generalizing an entire region and fanbase based on a few message board posts is pretty silly. If someone took the same approach to judging your fanbase, they'd say you're all unrefined table jumpers who hurl dildos and finger buttholes in the stands. 😆

I can definitely see your side. I just think these things tend to get exaggerated. Such as claiming that a bunch of people there hope for injuries. I don't think that's the case at all.

By few, I meant two. I'd agree that having Kelce and Hill together was an advantage. But the Bills' defense was #1 that year and KC's was average at best, with some huge weak spots like Sorenson and Niemann (which Allen and the Bills feasted upon). Also, Diggs and Knox were no slouches, and "Big game Gabe" had FOUR TDs in the 13 seconds game. You guys talk about KC players stepping up in big games, but I don't remember anyone stepping up like that. Mahomes' defense consistently crapped the bed that night, including DBs falling down at the most inopportune times (one left Davis wiiiiiiide open on a 4th and long desperation play). And his normally excellent kicker missed two easy kicks. You're just highlighting things that the Bills didn't have, while not mentioning what they did have or what KC didn't. It's hard to argue that KC's offensive talent was better than Buffalo's in 2022. A wash at best. Bills were better basically everywhere but TE and interior OL. And the interior OL wasn't/isn't even particularly good at run blocking. KC's tackles were both pretty bad. Mahomes made them look much better than they were. And to say they had similar talent this year is silly. KC had one good WR, who didn't really emerge until late. The rest were a disaster. To the point they had to healthy scratch two players who were expected to play large roles this year out of fear that they'd screw something up. The receiving corps was a national punchline all year long. Gabe Davis would have been the best Chiefs WR before Rice's emergence, and he was Buffalo's 5th or 6th best receiving weapon. Bills had two good TEs (one very talented). KC had one, and he started to show his age. Buffalo had a weaker interior OL but much better tackles. Like the year before, Mahomes made the tackles look better than they were. And Cook is arguably better than Pacheco. Regardless, their ground game was more consistently effective. I very much doubt that Allen would have had a lot of success in KC's offense this year. Also, you can't reduce the playoff game to a missed kick (by a kicker who was 2/5 in the postseason) while neglecting to mention that you won the game in KC due to one of the luckiest and most random flags ever.

Again, I think you probably took a lot of it too seriously. I doubt that anyone actually hoped for an injury. If so, it was probably the one or two bad apples that you'll find anywhere. I will admit that some of them have a twisted sense of humor though.

There's some vulgarity, but that's not exactly uncommon on the internet these days. And a lot of it is schtick that people take way too seriously. Forums are always judged by the loudest voices, but it's silly to generalize a board with so many posters. If somebody goes there to actually talk football respectfully, you'll have a few telling you to go eff yourself, but plenty will oblige.

Thank you. Exactly what I've been saying. If you're expecting your defense to shut down a Mahomes/Kelce/Reid offense in the playoffs, you're probably going to be disappointed no matter who you are. And if Josh is the Superman that people claim, he shouldn't need a million weapons and/or a super elite defense to get it done.

No, that’s not the reason I’m here. But if I see something that I competely disagree with, I’ll probably chime in, like anyone else would. If you don’t go to any other boards, great. But for the record, some Bills fans do post on Chiefs Planet. One of them created a thread to tell KC fans that the Bills would take the AFC this year. Others have created accounts just to troll and mock people. Frankly, I don’t mind. I’ll just give it right back to the trolls. I like some banter with non-KC fans. Gets boring otherwise.