SaulGoodman

Why would I make excuses for a win? Just pointing out that he had plenty to overcome in that game and had to be practically flawless. As for January, sure, that missed kick hurt their chances. Never said otherwise. Although a kick in the mid-40s for a weak kicker is different than one of the league’s best missing two chip shots. Most people think Mahomes is a better QB than Allen. You pick and choose when you want to listen to most people. Why would there not be a case for Mahomes winning that game for Buffalo? He’d be facing a weaker defense that repeatedly blew coverage and left Diggs or Davis open by a mile. If you thought they picked on Klein, imagine what Mahomes and better receivers would have done to Sorenson, Niemann, and Hughes.

You seem to think there's nothing more that Allen could have done in that game, but Buffalo punted on about half their possessions (4 of 9). KC punted on 2 of 11. It's Mahomes that had to be nearly flawless, because his defense was blowing coverages constantly and leaving receivers open by a mile. Plus his kicker missed two easy kicks.

And yet he reached the playoffs in his first season with a mediocre roster and Tyrod Taylor. Why is he such a big obstacle in your mind?

My guess is Allen would have a couple SB appearances and maybe one ring. Year by year… 2017 - Allen sits behind Alex Smith 2018 - Still raw and developing, Allen is surrounded by a lot of offensive talent but arguably the worst defense in the league. Probably a pretty solid season but no ring. 2019 - Allen probably would’ve had a good shot at reaching the Super Bowl. 2020 - Allen and the Chiefs host Mahomes and Buffalo in the AFCC. Allen probably wins, then loses to Tampa in the SB. Can’t overcome a third string OL and receivers that drop everything. 2021 - Mahomes wins the 13 seconds game. 2022 - If Allen couldn’t score on the Bengals with Buffalo, he probably wouldn’t have had much luck with a high ankle sprain and a WR corps of MVS, Skyy Moore and Marcus Kemp. 2023 - Allen loses in divisional in Buffalo

I keep seeing Chris Jones mentioned here. If KC, a team in a much better cap situation, can’t afford to keep him (despite clearly viewing it as a priority), how would the Bills be able to? I think it’s a moot point though. Sounds like he’s very close to a deal.

Except for several starters being out this postseason, several injuries to key players last postseason, and their entire OL in 2020. But there is some planning involved in avoiding a rash of injuries. There’s a reason that teams like the Titans and Ravens seem to always have numerous injuries and KC doesn’t.

Something tells me the Bills aren’t full of choir boys. And Hardman’s not a criminal.

I’ve been consistent. Far more so than those who hype the Bills rosters each year and then pull a 180 immediately after the season ends.

Saying that one opinion is irrefutable is saying exactly that. There are plenty of facts that support the other side. Where are all these facts you’ve provided anyway?

Admitting that you’ve made up your mind and facts don’t matter? That’s no different than saying it’s irrefutable that Mahomes is a better QB than Allen.

Okay, let’s look at 2022. Allen had the #1 rated roster and Mahomes the #8. Mahomes had a high ankle sprain at the beginning of the first playoff game and played the AFC title game without several key players. Was Mahomes’ situation far better in 2022?

Who was saying that this year? As for Andy Reid, he’s one of the most successful coaches of all time. I’ve never said otherwise. I’ve just pointed out facts. Such as…the Andy Reid narrative was very different in 2018, when he had a losing record in the playoffs and was coming off a home loss to Marcus Mariota. Obviously anyone is going to rate Reid higher than McDermott. And Kelce higher than Kincaid. But the main difference in both cases is longevity. McD’s first several years are pretty comparable to Reid’s first several. And is there really a huge difference between Kelce and Kincaid as of the Buffalo game? Kelce’s slowing down. I won’t be surprised at all if Kincaid has the better stats next season.

Well, sure he’s had some talented players and solid coaches. So has Allen. Mahomes’ defenses have been worse than Allen’s regular season or postseason by any measure until this year. The difference is that he never faces the Chiefs. Plus, it’s not like his defenses have shut down Buffalo. They just get a few stops. Pretty much all my takes are echoed by most national analysts. They aren’t crazy, uncommon opinions.

Ah, right….who cares about how a defense performs in that game? Guess a guy’s not allowed to have a decent defense once in 6 years, even if his receivers and tackles suck?

How did they get 13.7?

Mahomes had more big plays than any QB in the league in his first few seasons, and he takes plenty of risks. Of course, swapping Tyreek Hill for MVS, along with a dramatic shift in the way teams defend KC (and a big downgrade in tackle play) led him to take a different approach the last few years. Because that's one bad half (consisting of like four possessions) out of 18 playoff games. And because the narrative is that it's always Allen's teammates/coaches that let him down. Because that play continues to be singled out by fans as one of the best examples of Andy's allegedly incomparable genius, and because it's led to three TDs in SBs. Plus, I doubt it's the only creative play that Bills coaches have used. Do you really think that Reid is a savant who understands offensive concepts that no one else in the league can? And you know that he's been criticized greatly throughout his career for choking away playoff games (losing record before Mahomes) and bad decisions/poor clock management, right? Like what? Btw, going back to the supporting cast debate, here are the preseason PFF roster rankings for each team since each QB became a starter: 2018: KC - 13 Bills - 16 2019: KC - 7 Bills - 29 2020: KC - 4 Bills - 7 2021: KC - 2 Bills - 4 2022: KC - 8 Bills - 1 2023: KC - 4 Bills - 6 Notice that, despite the narrative that Mahomes walked into the greatest situation imaginable, his initial roster was ranked 13th. Only slightly above Buffalo's. It may have been better than 13, but obviously it wasn't considered an ultra-loaded roster. Even after Mahomes' MVP season in which his offense averaged 35 ppg, the ranking only rose to 7th the following season. Also, as beebe pointed out, Alex Smith had by far his best season statistically in 2017, and Mahomes doubled his TD total as a first-year starter the next year. With over 1000 more passing yds and nearly 10 more points per game (a few ppg away from a record). Meanwhile, Buffalo's roster ranking plummeted the year after Allen took over, and his rookie stats were weaker across the board than Tyrod Taylor's from the previous year. Btw, here's what they had to say before the 2020 season: Biggest weakness: It's not a popular sentiment in the city of Buffalo, but this is a very good roster that probably will be limited by shaky quarterback play. Even if you want to discount the PFF grades or advanced accuracy metrics, Allen finished the 2019 season with a 58.8% completion percentage that was lower than each of the 32 quarterbacks with the most regular-season attempts. He had bottom-10 marks in yards per attempt and passer rating as well. None of this supports the idea that there's been a massive gap in talent between these teams, especially in recent years. Or that Allen would have had insane levels of success in KC. I'm sure you'll attack PFF's credibility or something, but they study every play of every game and earn a lot of money doing what they do. No one's perfect, but they're definitely a better resource than the biased opinion of a fan. The fact that Allen wasn't very sharp or accurate in his first two seasons doesn't help your case either. He wasn't likely to win big in those first two years, which would have left him only 4 seasons to surpass what Mahomes has done. So basically, he'd have needed to win the last four SBs.

Easy now....you're dropping too many facts.

In college, Mahomes killed it in spite of poor coaching and skill players that no one's heard of since.

So….the player who’s been much more mistake-prone (137 INTs/fumbles vs 99 in fewer games) with a defense that has provided far more takeaways (163 to 138) would have accomplished more than Mahomes in KC? By upgrading his offensive talent for a few seasons while downgrading defensively every year but one? Seems doubtful. Especially considering Allen was very inaccurate his first two years (at that point Mahomes had already notched a historic MVP season and a SB victory). KC had better offensive skill players during Mahomes’ first few years but hasn’t the last few. They’ve also had a weak running game most years, weak tackle play in half of Mahomes’ seasons, receivers that led the league in drops by a mile this year, the worst run blocking in the league for a few years, and weak defense every year but one. They’ve also been among the most penalized teams annually while their opponents are among the least. Somehow this adds up to a situation so much better than Allen’s that he’d have 6x as many AFC title game appearances as he has now, 3 or more SB rings and at least two MVPs? Also, is the difference in coaching as drastic as you make it out to be if one of Reid’s most lauded plays was stolen from the “uncreative” Bills? And was it the defense’s fault that Allen led his offense to 10 points vs Cincinnati last year? A hobbled Mahomes scored more than twice as many points vs the same team the next week, while throwing to a depleted WR corps consisting of MVS, Skyy Moore and Marcus Kemp from the practice squad. I don’t think the facts support your assertion.

You can claim whatever you want to believe. That’s the beauty of what if scenarios. The difference is, my opinions on Mahomes are mirrored by practically every analyst and pundit. You probably also believe that Allen would have more SBs than Brady if he had played in NE, since he has the bigger arm and all.

Are you saying that the narrative about McDermott wouldn't be vastly different if a couple plays/decisions were reversed? And no, I don't think Allen walked into the perfect circumstances. But that doesn't mean he'd have won as much or more as Mahomes if the roles were reversed, as many claim.

As opposed to the people who judge him based on one or two decisions from a few games?

If a talent-depleted team led by Tyrod Taylor reached the playoffs, McD must be better than many think.

Weren't the Bills a 9-7 playoff team the year before? With Tyrod Taylor at QB?

Jones could have left it at "I love my employer." Instead, he's repeatedly said he won't go anywhere else. Veach has also said they're going to prioritize Jones. With a higher cap, the chances of him being re-signed only increase.