SaulGoodman

Who was saying this about Reid in 2017? And what convinced you that he's the greatest offensive coach ever? What makes you think Allen would beat Cincinnati in the '22 AFCC? Remember, the scenario is he has a high ankle sprain, his best WR is MVS, bottom half rushing attack, mediocre tackles, and his defense is average at best. Allen had a better supporting cast than Mahomes that year and lost to the same team at home, scoring 10 pts. He wasn't winning it all as a rookie, no matter where he was. Definitely not with that KC defense. And there's no reason to think he would go on the road and do what Mahomes did last year. Or that he would have won behind that terrible OL in Tampa. His best chance would probably have been 2019, but he wasn't nearly the QB then that he is now. Let's put it this way. Put 2018 Tyrod Taylor on one of the worst rosters in the league today, at an unstable organization. Is he winning 9 games? I think that's very unlikely.

Mahomes had a lot more offensive talent the first few years, yeah. But let's not act like Allen was drafted by a 2-14 team with a terrible coach. They were a decent team with a good coach, good running game and a good defense.

I've already said that Mahomes had more talent around him in the first couple years, but that advantage hasn't been there for several years now. You also fail to mention that Mahomes inherited an awful defense. You're dramatically exaggerating how bad Allen's situation was. Tyrod Taylor of all people got the Bills to the playoffs the year before Allen came into the league. Allen's stats were worse than Taylor's his first year. He clearly wasn't ready to dominate the world at that point, no matter where he landed. Mahomes literally doubled Alex Smith's numbers from the year before, and that was by far Smith's best season as a pro.

Mahomes had a solid advantage in talent the first two seasons, but not since. Allen wasn't ready to win big in his first two years anyway. You say it's the ultimate team game, yet you zero in on a couple players. Having Kelce and/or Hill only gave Mahomes an advantage at a few positions, not all across the roster. The fact that KC won one SB with Hill but every SB since he left shows his impact is a little overstated. And Kelce hasn't been prime Kelce for awhile. Diggs had some big playoff games, and having low stats doesn't necessarily mean a receiver isn't contributing. The attention he drew from the defense allowed Gabe Davis to score four TDs in the 13 seconds game. Talk about stepping up...you won't find a better example than that.

That game might be my favorite memory of the Mahomes era, considering the context. It had been 50 years since the Chiefs had gone to the SB. 1 playoff win in 20+ years. They seemed to invent new and more agonizing ways to lose in the postseason every year. And then comes 24-0. They finally had the team to get it done and it felt like it was over before it started. The first quarter was like being sent to football hell. It was so disastrous, it seemed scripted. The cherry on top was Hill almost getting decapitated on an incompletion. At that point, I just shook my head and accepted that KC was eternally cursed. Hill's dead, season's over...I'll never see a SB. Lol. It was surreal to have the lead at halftime. When they went on to win the SB, it honestly felt a little anticlimactic compared to the drama of that game.

You have Elway as the most complete? That's always a fun debate on KC and Denver boards. My earliest memories of Elway were near the end of his career, although I've watched old games and highlights too. My impression's always been that he had all the tools but wasn't consistent enough. He got a lot of media hype because he was marketed as the next big thing out of college, and made some flashy plays, comebacks, etc. But he also threw a ton of INTs and disappeared for big stretches. One of the reasons he was in a position to come back so often was he put them in that spot by not playing well early. And one thing they never mention is that he failed to make the comeback a lot more than he succeeded. I think he had as much talent as probably any QB ever, but I think his career was overhyped. But maybe I needed to watch him play consistently during his early years to better judge.

Yeah, Allen's much more dangerous as a runner. No doubt he has a big advantage there. Mahomes has a knack for scrambling for first downs, but he's obviously not much of a threat in designed runs. Wish Andy wasn't scared to use him in QB sneaks though.

First, the SB winner from the prior year is almost always going to be their preseason #1, unless they lose a ton of talent. And teams that go deep will be ranked near the top. 2nd, Mahomes is the biggest reason for those rankings. Not the supporting cast. It's not like they looked at the '22 roster and saw Smith-Schuster, MVS, CEH, no Tyreek Hill, and a bunch of rookies and thought "this is a loaded roster." The Bills are always high in those rankings too, and in PFF roster rankings.

Sure, Kelce was great in his prime. He also hasn't been in his prime for years. Would you expect Allen to win the SB with a past his prime Kelce, a mediocre defense, weak running game, weak tackles, and a WR corps led by Juju Smith-Schuster, MVS and Kadarious Toney, on a high ankle sprain?

Yes, it usually takes a great defense. Mahomes has done it twice with mediocre defenses. It usually takes great WRs and tackles too. Mahomes has done it twice with poor WRs and tackles. Plus multiple times with an average at best run game. MVS was the 2nd-best WR in two of Mahomes' SB wins. He was his best WR available in the '22 AFC title vs the Bengals. MVS caught two passes on 9 targets for 26 yds with the Bills. The consensus opinion was that all four of Mahomes' SB opponents had more talented rosters than the Chiefs. At least three of the four were considered far more talented. KC won three of them. The idea that Mahomes has relied heavily on his supporting cast is silly. As is the idea that Allen hasn't had talent around him.

He wasn’t activated. But he can’t replace Morris soon enough.

For ***** and giggles, I decided to read the Illuminatus Trilogy recently. I was surprised to see that one of the main characters was named Saul Goodman. Had no idea that’s what inspired the name.

Frankly, one thing I hate about CP is there’s a mod or two who constantly have their fingers on the ban trigger waiting for the next troll who’s mildly annoying. I welcome the back and forth from other fanbases. I think it makes it more entertaining. Plus I hate censorship in pretty much any form.

Yes, guilty.

I mean this very thread was created to post “excuses” pulled from Chiefs forums. Lol. Btw, I haven’t seen much “we’re fine and we’ll flip the switch when needed and breeze to the SB.” Seems like a fake narrative. What I’ve seen is a lot of concern about Nazeeh Johnson, Wanya Morris, etc. But a Bills fan would never reach to create an anti-KC narrative. Or pound out angry essays about bogus narratives. They’re way too secure for that.

One reason you can make a valid argument for Mahomes as GOAT is that he's clearly more accomplished at this point of his career than Brady was through 6 seasons. Can't win 7 SBs in 6 years. "Most" are saying that he's surpassed him? We're talking national analysts right? Saying that he's had the better season thus far is a lot different than saying he's a better player.

Nah, but if the choice is unbiased expert opinion vs extremely biased non-expert opinion, that's an easy call. Rules experts defended the call. You're not a rules expert. End of story.

I heard a lot more of that last year, when his WRs were dropping every other pass. Then it disappeared after he played near-perfect football in the postseason again.

I presume you have eyes, right? What do you see in that pic? I'd love to hear the case for how a hit two yds OOB is not a penalty. I've honestly never even heard anyone argue this. The argument is always "they should've let it go in that situation." But yes, 90% of football fans were triggered by those calls. That's how it works when a team wins a lot.

You're denying that the vast majority of analysts think Mahomes is the best QB in the league? Weird that every program I turn on is discussing his case for GOAT. You should let them know that he's not even the best currently.

It's not a penalty to knock a QB to the ground a full two yds out of bounds? Interesting. 🤣 Pretty sure this is a penalty by the rules too: Which is why it was defended by every rules expert. Guess this is why armchair refs are armchair refs. Thanks for proving again that this is a BS narrative formed purely out of bitterness.

Sure. Same for the penalties that non-KC fans have been sobbing about the past 3 yrs.

Sure. It's just something that's almost never called, especially on a WR. First time in Reid's 25 year career and it just happened to wipe out a game-winning TD. Imagine the response had it been the other way around. 😆 But I thought the issue was the fortuitous timing of certain calls. If you'll remember, the KC ref narrative got rolling after the '22 AFCC vs CIN. Do you think knocking a player down two yds out of bounds isn't a penalty?

Lol. You definitely want it to, but that's not reality. There's a reason that 90% of unbiased analysts agree with us.

Lol. You could make a better case that Buffalo paid the refs in the last two regular season meetings.