SaulGoodman

One reason you can make a valid argument for Mahomes as GOAT is that he's clearly more accomplished at this point of his career than Brady was through 6 seasons. Can't win 7 SBs in 6 years. "Most" are saying that he's surpassed him? We're talking national analysts right? Saying that he's had the better season thus far is a lot different than saying he's a better player.

Nah, but if the choice is unbiased expert opinion vs extremely biased non-expert opinion, that's an easy call. Rules experts defended the call. You're not a rules expert. End of story.

I heard a lot more of that last year, when his WRs were dropping every other pass. Then it disappeared after he played near-perfect football in the postseason again.

I presume you have eyes, right? What do you see in that pic? I'd love to hear the case for how a hit two yds OOB is not a penalty. I've honestly never even heard anyone argue this. The argument is always "they should've let it go in that situation." But yes, 90% of football fans were triggered by those calls. That's how it works when a team wins a lot.

You're denying that the vast majority of analysts think Mahomes is the best QB in the league? Weird that every program I turn on is discussing his case for GOAT. You should let them know that he's not even the best currently.

It's not a penalty to knock a QB to the ground a full two yds out of bounds? Interesting. 🤣 Pretty sure this is a penalty by the rules too: Which is why it was defended by every rules expert. Guess this is why armchair refs are armchair refs. Thanks for proving again that this is a BS narrative formed purely out of bitterness.

Sure. Same for the penalties that non-KC fans have been sobbing about the past 3 yrs.

Sure. It's just something that's almost never called, especially on a WR. First time in Reid's 25 year career and it just happened to wipe out a game-winning TD. Imagine the response had it been the other way around. 😆 But I thought the issue was the fortuitous timing of certain calls. If you'll remember, the KC ref narrative got rolling after the '22 AFCC vs CIN. Do you think knocking a player down two yds out of bounds isn't a penalty?

Lol. You definitely want it to, but that's not reality. There's a reason that 90% of unbiased analysts agree with us.

Lol. You could make a better case that Buffalo paid the refs in the last two regular season meetings.

You literally said "it's made up." You have no reason to assume it isn't accurate. I can tell you, as a KC fan, it doesn't surprise me a bit. I've thought for years that the Chiefs have more nullified TDs than anyone. And I know they were the only team last postseason to have a TD wiped off the board, and it happened twice.

Lol. Of course it is. It's all part of the conspiracy. Proof that it's made up?

If the numbers fit your narrative, you wouldn't think they were worthless. Here's another: Do you think negated TDs affect the game at all?

Lol. Wagering with Bills fans seems like it would be a lucrative endeavor.

There isn't complacency among the fans. When the rest of the NFL community is itching to throw dirt on you and fabricating narratives to discredit or downplay every success, you don't get complacent. It keeps you hungry. I wouldn't expect a lot of predictions of a Chiefs win here. What I would expect is predictions of a tight game, rather than a 3-4 score beatdown. If they truly believed the team was crippled by injury, that is.

As worthless as the biased opinions of armchair refs? There are no stats that support the narrative.

I can see how it'd be easy to forget a finish that you replayed 100 times. 😄

Lol. And there it is. You guys really want to believe the conspiracy theory. If KC consistently benefited disproportionately from calls/no-calls in these situations, as we're told, they wouldn't be #1 in this stat. It's okay to admit the league isn't fixing games for the Chiefs.

Following up on the ref conspiracy theories... https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/42509325/debunking-10-myths-2024-nfl-season-teams-chiefs-49ers-lamar-jackson The myth: The officials favor the Chiefs late in close games. When the Chiefs began 9-0 with seven wins by a touchdown or less, there were conspiracy theories about referees favoring them. Was the league trying to guide Kansas City to a three-peat? Was the idea that Chiefs wins are good because the league is trying to attract more Swifties to the NFL? Who knows. Why it's a myth: Looking only at late- and close-game situations (eight points in either direction, second half or overtime) and including both declined and offsetting penalties, the NFL team with the most flags is ... Kansas City. It is tied with the Colts, having 29 penalties in such situations. Only the Jets and Saints have more penalty yards than Kansas City's 218 in late and close situations. KC fans don't challenge the conspiracy narratives because they're insecure. They challenge them because it's complete nonsense.

Twitter's full of people who are there just to troll and get reactions. I don't think that's news to anybody. How am I not letting fans enjoy their team? I haven't said anything negative about the Bills. I don't think responding to bogus narratives indicates insecurity. Creating bogus narratives indicates insecurity. You won't find me claiming that Buffalo only wins because they're lucky or in the refs' pockets.

Why would KC fans be insecure? Let's be real...a Bills fan is the last person who should accuse anyone else of insecurity.

Kelce had arguably the best game of his career vs the top defense and LB corps in the NFL the following week. Then followed it with another great game vs an excellent defense and LB corps in the SB. Kelce having a decent game isn’t exactly proof of inept defense.

I guess it's only fitting that the "Chiefs fan excuses" thread turns into the Bills fan excuses thread.

They weren't beating good teams in the regular season. The defense was mostly the same in the playoffs, but the offense was much different. Way more focused and efficient. Very few drops or mistakes. Massive cope about their chances? A 9-1 team that just lost for the first time in 16 games? Lol. Sounds more like wishful thinking on your part. KC's LT situation isn't ideal, but it hasn't been the last few years either. Worst-case scenario, Donovan Smith's waiting for a call if needed. He's not perfect, but they already know they can win with him. A more seasoned Worthy and a Hopkins who knows the playbook will be dangerous weapons by season's end. Add Pacheco and Hollywood Brown, plus Omenihu and (maybe) Watson on defense, and it would be easily the best roster of the last three years. Add that they have a great shot at the 1 seed, and I like their chances just fine. Nazeeh Johnson has been bad in place of Watson. He was picked on relentlessly. Rice might have been on pace to have the best season of any WR in the league. Hollywood Brown would (will?) have a big impact on this offense. Pacheco's explosiveness has been missed. And having their best edge rusher definitely would have helped in a game in which their front got no pressure. I'm not using injuries as an excuse, but to pretend that losing those players has little impact is ridiculous.

The "crippled" talk doesn't mesh with your fans' predictions before the game (which you can see in the thread I linked). Why were so many predicting a crippled team to win by 10-30 points? Supposing the Bills were crippled by injury...what's that got to do with the other 14 postseason games they've won the past six years? Were those teams all crippled? Mahomes has played in 18 postseason games. He's trailed at the end of regulation exactly once. I think you can safely assume he/they will perform at a high level.