UKBillFan

For the most part we can probably do without Josh OR Poyer and Milano for a handful of games in the regular season, as long as those playing don't mess the bed. But we can't afford to be missing all three.

Stop being rational, I'm not ready to be rational yet! I guess in all those losses listed weaknesses and issues were exposed and then worked on. And I agree, people forget how average at best much of the regular season was in 2021. The issue is, we want to have home field advantage so top seed is key. A defeat to a dceent but limited Jets side does not help.

Very mature. Going by your replies, I'm assuming you feel Sunday was just one of those days and won't have a long term impact?

IIRC, with the first touchdown drive, the defense got off the field and then Special Teams messed the bed. For the second touchdown Josh gave their offense great field position. Arguably, the defense were solely responsible for just six points on Sunday. They even stopped a well positioned drove when we kicked off out of bounds. The final drive was horrific but they were gassed. And TOP isn’t everything - look at us at the Fins. It’s being sensible with the ball when we had it and we weren’t. I’m not saying that there are not issues with the defense as there clearly is. But would I say the defeat was down to them on Sunday? Maybe shockingly, no.

Shakir’s been good but needs to be utilised more. Also impressed with Benford. Cook and Elam decent, especially the latter considering the lack of first choice players around him at times. Bernard was poor but has time to grow. Haven’t seen enough from Spector to judge but late round picks can be down to luck rather than judgement anyway.

Or maybe fewer because they’ve already got over the hump of the SB. They’ve already proven they can do it. And the sneering dismissal of those who have concerns about Sunday’s performance is getting tiring.

If you go back they probably were at the time.

It’s not losing; it’s the miserable way we lost that’s the issue. The game at the Fins was excusable; Sunday was not.

One thing Fins fans should consider - put Josh behind their own line with their receivers and do the same with Tua here. Who’s doing better?

Put Keenum in at QB and have Josh as a RB? 😄

They told him to be more like Josh Allen.

It’s what we should have been doing with Josh. It’s what we were doing with Josh against the higher rated teams. Keenum’s less likely to play heroball but he’s less likely to put the offense on his back too. He’s in and somehow it will have to be a team effort.

I’m going into “Josh has been dire for five quarters so if Keenum steps in he can’t be any worse” denial mode right now. I’d feel even worse if there were doubts with Josh’s fitness when he was at a peak, rather than a trough.

Think the Cowboys said the same thing when Prescott went down.

Are O Lines becoming a problem across the board, though? Is that why we’re seeing so many low scoring games; there’s a reduction in talent when it comes to that area of play? Big guys who could do it prefer to be on the defensive side of the ball - picks, sacks, fumbles - than the offensive side. I can name ten non-Bill defensive players in an instant - Bosa, TJ Watt, JJ Watt, Crosby, Gardner, Hutchinson, Judon, Donald, Ramsey, Garrett - but ten players who play on the O Line in the NFL? I can only remember ours because I’m wondering why they act as turnstiles.

I know I’ve said it before but what bugs me is, pre-bye, Josh was great at taking what the defense gave him. Need to hand it off? Fine. Need short bullet passes? Fine. Nothing free up field? Will chuck it away relatively safely. And I can’t blame Dorsey for taking those options away from him - Shakir and Knox were available on short plays and we’re ignored for riskier, well covered, deep options yesterday. It’s like something changed at the bye and I don’t know why it’s happened.

Not to derail the thread from discussing Josh’s impending retirement to steal Brady’s role at Fox from under his nose but I think the issue is we had a warning on both sides of the ball against the Packers yet nothing changed from the second half (defense)/final quarter (offense) to yesterday. We didn’t learn our lesson and Josh, even if he can play, concerns me because he’s dropped off alarmingly all of a sudden.

On the plus side, all the panic about Josh is helping people forget that he basically hasn’t turned up for five quarters (and I will fight anyone who says six - he was fine in the 3rd Quarter against the Packers).

No Josh against Minnesota or Cleveland? 6-4 here we come.

Take away one of Josh’s fluky interception’s yesterday and we would have won.

One bad drive when they were shattered. I think I'm recalling correctly that the defense got off the field on the first touchdown drive but Specials Team messed the bed on the fake, putting them out there. For the second touchdown, Josh gave them short field. The defense also saved us when we kicked out of bounds. Yes, one bad drive which lost the game, but others have to take more than their share of blame for yesterday's result. Point out that all three sides of our game had horrific moments yet they still only managed to beat us by three. We would have been blown out by a good team.

The day after the night before, I'm trying to think logically. Josh looked average to poor for much of the regular season last year post bye and look what he did in the play offs. The disappointment is I thought he had raised his floor but he hasn't. But he still has his ceiling. Making the post season is key. Anything after that is on the day, whether at OP or away.

No Hyde No Milano No Poyer No White From the second half, no Rousseau The only experienced, (arguably) quality, players we had out there were Edmunds and Miller. We probably were a bit lost. ETA - Oh and Phillips. Can’t even recall Oliver being mentioned.

Part of me is thinking we don’t want the post season bye if this is how we play coming out of one!

I know I replied to you on the other thread but to reiterate, I agree. We basically need to return to the approach we had with him to start the season and stick to it. But he wasn’t before the bye. He was at his most intelligence as a QB for the most part.