GASabresIUFan

First things first. The point of this discussion is that Beane drafted the wrong guy. He did regardless of metrics and internet scouting reports. Unlike the vast majority of people here, I am a UGA season ticket holder and watched every game Ladd played at UGA, most in person. The kid lined up all over the field, both inside and out and the truth be told, I don't care where he lines up as much as where he catches the ball and you shouldn't care either where he lines up. For example, lets say Diggs and Ladd lineup on the same side of the field with Ladd inside of Diggs. They then run a crossing pattern and Ladd catches the ball along the sidelines for 30 yards. Is that a slot play or a boundary play? Under your limited definition, that's a slot play because he lined up inside. I say the opposite. Run the same play and Diggs catches the ball over the middle 15 yards deep. Slot play or boundary play? Your definition doesn't take into account how modern football is played. Ladd may have started 65% of his plays in LA inside, but he caught the ball all over the field both inside and out. Also there was much discussion when Coleman was drafted that he'd be better in the slot. As to Shakir, his average catch last season was 2.9 yards down field (average catch 10.8 yards - Yac/r of 7.9 = 2.9 yards of AIR) and almost all were over the middle. He is a true inside possession slot receiver in the Buffalo offense. Ladd averaged 14 yards per catch with YAC of 4.8. This means his average catch was 9.2 yards down field.

You can’t make that assumption. Just because LA used him inside at the snap is not an indication that’s how he be used in Buffalo. LA had outside receivers when Ladd was drafted. Buffalo needed outside help. Had they drafted Ladd he’d have been used where needed. The truth is where a WR starts on the line is less important than the routes he runs, the depth of his catches and where on the field the catch is made. Shakir catches the ball inside 2-3 yards down the field. That’s a slot receiver. Ladd caught the ball on average over 9 yards down the field. Shakir and Ladd are different kind of players.

He added more speed on both sides of the ball because the team desperately needed speed on both sides of the ball; especially after he let Worthy go to KC.

By the way, Beane knows he blew the Coleman pick. (40 4.61) Since he made that pick, all the skill players on both sides of the ball have speed. At WR were have added Palmer (4.52 @ 6'1 210), Moore (4.35), and Prather (4.46), AT DB & S: Bishop (4.45), Forest (4.41), Hancock (4.42), Hairston (4.28), Strong (4.50)

Ladd is a player who can play anywhere at any time. We need good WRs. Ladd should have the pick. By the way Ladd is the same height as Diggs and faster.

I like being the underdog last year.

Taron Johnson was an AP-2 a few years ago and Josh was an AP-2 last season (and the league MVP). Wyatt Teller, a Beane draftee, has 2 AP-2 and 3 PBs.

Yes and no. That number is the 51 largest contracts. It doesn’t reflect the 53 players who will actually make the team, nor the $4 mill+ space we need for the practice squad, plus room anyone who ends up on the IR. It also doesn’t reflect the increase in dead cap for the players the Bills will be cutting. It’s a frustrating number and why I started this thread. The Bills situation is even more complicated because of Hoecht and Ogunjobi’s suspensions.

I don’t know. Do you know if he talked about the process of picking Cook, Benford, T Johnson, Bernard, Shakir, Torrence, S Brown, Rousseau etc…. It’s easy to pick on a few mistakes, but someone is missing the forest through the trees. PS: Ford and Basham were drafted exactly where their pre-draft rankings placed them.

Because I care whether a proposed move is realistically possible. I think others do as well.

Ask me after week 8

With 90 or so players in camp, how many have a realistic shot at making the club? I think the answer is 66. I have 53 projected players. After that I think there are maybe 12 others with an actual shot: White, Davidson, Shenault, Shavers, Prather, Lundt, Green, Logue, Spector, Lewis, Jackson and Hardy are my last 12 out. Brad Robbins in theory could also beat out Camarda for punting duties. QB- White - He's likely be re-signed to be the emergency QB TE - Davidson - Hawes vs Davidson for the 3rd TE spot, I have Davidson back to the PS WR - Shenault, Shavers and Prather will compete for the 6th WR slot, if we keep 6. I have all 3 on the outs. OL - Van Denmark, Lundt, and Green will fight for spot 9 and maybe 10 on the OL. I have VD in, and Lundt & Green out. DT - Logue could make the team is someone gets hurt LB - Andreessen, Ulofoshio and Spector fighting for one maybe two slots. I have Spector out CB - I think he keep 7. The battles are Ingram, Strong Jackson & Lewis fighting for 2 spots and Codrington vs Hardy for the punt return job. I have Jackson, Lewis and Hardy out. Did I leave anyone out?

At least he wasn't from Carolina.

I'm not sure how carry over bonuses are calculated. I assumed Miller's were included in his 15 mill dead cap calculation, but honestly I'm not sure.

Because when the season starts the 279 mill cap hit applies to the 53 players that make the roster, the players on IR and the PS. So I am trying to see after the 53 players how much room Beane actually has to play with to accommodate the IR, the PS and in season changes. A team needs about $4,000,000 just to accommodate a 16 player practice squad. The more vets on the PS, the bigger that number grows. The 51 contracts is only relevant for the offseason.