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I was just trying to say that it's pretty pointless to argue which team's o-line sucks more or use o-line as excuse on either QB's performance. As just shown, both QBs are among top 5 under pressure. Regarding both QBs this season, it's pretty obvious Rosen has a more rough season like the following which I posted earlier. But again, it's way too early to tell which one will be better in the future.

People have their own opinions on whether Cardinals have better o-line or Bills have better o-line, or which team has more starter quality offensive lineman and which team has more backup quality instead, but basically both Allen and Rosen are one of the most pressured QBs in the league. We can save each other time by just saying both team's o-line suck instead of arguing which o-line sucks a little bit more. And the following is how quarterbacks perform under pressure. Basically both Allen and Rosen are in the bottom 5.

I assume when Doc said 'running' game', he didn't mean to include QB rushing yards after QBs escape from pass rush. Comparing Buffalo and SF, Buffalo's quarterbacks have 583 rushing yards where 536 are from Allen while SF's QBs only have 88. If we remove QB rushing yards just for a moment, Buffalo has 341 rushes for 1235 yards, or 3.62 YDS/A. On the other hand, SF has 357 rushes for 1687 yards, or 4.72 YDS/A. Of course there are designed QB runs, but you get the picture.

Different people have different opinions and different rankings. Mayfield of course stands out, and other 4 rookie first round QBs have obvious flaws. Most people agree Allen and Jackson have to improve their passing/accuracy, but Darnold and Rosen also have to improve in certain areas in passing as well, for example:

after week week 16:

few more from Cover 1:

ok, whatever.

Good job at attacking me personally, I was just helping to balance the analysis in this very thread. Like I told you and you recently agreed, it's too early to tell who will be better.

Good!! And it'd be great if we can all start to post both sides of analysis instead of posting one side ranking/analysis.

If you read the link carefully, it actually takes more into account. But again, it's not the point. The point is that there are different analysis out there showing different conclusions. We can start to post both sides of analysis instead of only the ones matching one's agenda. As I told you and you recently agreed, it's too early to tell.

Do you miss the link in the twitter on what this advanced stat is and how it work? But anyway, it's not the point. The point is that there are different analysis out there showing different conclusions. We can start to post both sides of analysis instead of only the ones matching one's agenda. As I told you and you recently agreed, it's too early to tell.

Right, I told you it's pointless to argue who is better now again. Do you want me to remind you again that agree both are not finished products and both have different development curve, thus, even player A is better than player B now doesn't mean it'll still be the case once they are developed?

Sure, it's my opinion. Just like you have your opinion, I can also have my opinion. And no, no one can prevent you from going after "I told you so" only few games into their career. But I can also have my opinion that it's pointless and remind you that you agree both are not finished products and both have different development curve, thus, even player A is better than player B now doesn't mean it'll still be the case once they are developed.

All players are assessed weekly and arguing which rookie is better right now after few games into their career are different. The latter is pointless and is merely for the purpose of "I told you so". Like you said, both are not finished products and both have different development curve. Even player A is better than player B now doesn't mean it'll still be the case once they are developed.

Nah, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now with few games into their career unless it's for the purpose of "I told you so".

Exactly, it's pretty pointless to argue who is better now after only few games into their career.

This is the key and it's pretty useless to argue who is better now after only several games into their career. It's not a secret that Rosen is deemed more pro ready, but you can't deny Rosen has better games but also has worse games so far in the few games he plays.

This sums up very well. Any sane person would agree both are rookies with bad support cast and it's way too earlier to claim who is better. It's pretty hyperbolic to use one standard on one rookie and then use a different standard on another rookie simply to claim "I'm right about which rookie is better" or "I told you so". And yes, this applies to both Allen supporters and Rosen supporters.

....Exactly....Mahomes has proven nothing on the field and it's only front office's confidence in him after seeing him during practice and in preseason games. Sounds quite familiar to Allen. ?

Pick any big time QB then from the first round that was supposed to be somebody. Cade McNown...Jim Druckenmiller.....Joey Harrington....pick one or all....I'll go find preseason game summarys for all of them if you want....you are missing my point. Mahomes is playing vanilla defenses, who aren't discguising coverages etc..they aren't gameplanning for him...like every game 1 and 2 of preseason ever. Mahomes has looked pretty good so far....and he should. I still don't think he'll make it (I am just a nobody on a message board with an opinion) ....I'd temper my expectations until I'd seen him against some NFL defesnes who are gameplanning, playing all their starters etc. That's it...I am not saying Mahomes is Leaf or Russel or Jeff George or Jim Kelly, Aaron Rodgers etc....