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Right, but it's a reality that easily could have been avoided by brining in another starting caliber safety this offseason. Passing on Emmanowori was also probably a mistake (same with Cooper Dejuan last year), same with passing on moving up for BTJ who was just a couple picks ahead of us the year before. Still can't get over that. BBB is agressive to go get Elam and Kincaid, but won't budge few spots for BTJ?! Sickens me.

Everything you said at the top is fair, but it's not hate... it's fatigue. We are sick of hearing about (and seeing on the field so much) a backup NFL safety. That is exactly what Hamlin is, nothing more, nothing less. I'm so glad he didn't die, it's a cool story, but the constant attention he gets is nothing but a distraction for the team. No backup player (or kicker/punter) of any sort is worth a distraction at the NFL level, shoot, even Tim Tebow couldn't survive this unwritten NFL rule. The fact that Hamlin has gotten to play as much as he had speaks to the poor quality of our safety room these last couple years, he has no business being on the field for anything other than special teams/emergency spot starts. The safety play was bad last year, and we didn't address it all other than hoping Bishop improves. This is where the frustration is coming from, that we are even in a remote position where Hamlin may have to play regular snaps. I'll give Beane/McD the benefit of the doubt on Bishop until later this season (as they earned after how Benard worked out after losing Edmunds), but if Hamlin has to play a lot this year I will lose it.

Agreed. Maybe the Redskins would want Samuel back? I know it's a different regime but he had production there, and they are especially light at quality WRs, even with McLalurin.

That's a great sign! Deal must be close.

No freaking way we give up Groot, Cook AND a 1st and 3rd. Maybe Epenesa and a 1st and 3rd. (not that it matters anyway, Dallas can lock Parsons up the next 3 seasons if you include franchise tag ability so he isn't going anywhere, this is posturing for negotiations)

This is a great point. Far more often than not it is just posturing for negotiations sake. No way Dallas ever lets him go. They can lock him up for the next three years if they really want to with franchise tag, he has no power and isn't going anywhere.

Some of you are going too far with this. I am somewhat biased being a Clemson alum but Wilkins is not by any means a "bad apple" type. This is a guy that got his degree in 2.5 years with a near 4.0 (and then went on to get a masters), never in trouble, leader in the community, loved by his teammates etc. He is simply an absolute goofball. He is a character for sure, huge ham, always dancing, singing and doing splits and stuff, was big into drama in high school. But the dude can ball, has crazy work ethic, and is well respected on and off the field. I'm sure his personality rubs some people the wrong way and he is a weirdo with his after the play antics not trying to defend him there, but he is far far from any type of bad apple or locker room cancer type thing. Just wanted to correct that for those that are unfamiliar with him and getting the wrong idea here. Bottom line, if he is even remotely healthy he would be a tremendous upgrade over Jones.

I said next Oliver instead of Jones, not in place of Oliver.

I know Wilkins is not popular on this board but I would take him next to Oliver over Jones in a heartbeat.

Right a great football team without any weapon that scares on you offense, one that depends entirely on the heroics of a single player, one that consistently gets close but can't get over the hump to make the Super Bowl. I desperately want the Bills to win one, and could care less if it's with McDermott or not. Many Bills fans have pointed out, going back years, that the Bills lack any type of explosive weapon on offense (not just a gadget fast guy, but an actual plus starter that scares defenses). Diggs was not a top end receiver his last couple years with the team, he was borderline #1, good #2 type, yet Allen was forcing him the ball and we had no other help around him. That's why we saw addition by subtraction last year, along with Allen's continued development and continued chemistry on the o line. Like many Bills fans, I remain highly skeptical that team without a single offensive weapon that scares you can win the Super Bowl (and rightfully so). I hope I'm wrong, truly. I will be dancing in the streets crying tears of joy if so.

Maybe not. Bills certainly had one of the weakest, that point is not debatable. Don't mistake points scored for meaning our receivers were good, they weren't if you actually watched the games. Allen's heroics and a solid ground game are 95%+ of the reason for our success last year on offense.

Haha actually what you are looking at is Allen's interception percentage with and without Diggs. Let me be clear, I'm not a Davis fan, he's nothing more than depth, but acting like a #5/6 receiver (no matter who it is) is going to affect Allen's int % in any significant way is silly.

I'd take him as a WR #5/6, good blocker, good locker room guy, could play ST if needed. Would have to set the clear expectation that it's not gonna be a starter/captain situation like last time, but he's certainly worthy of being on a roster. Still don't love not having a single plus starter, but our room would be deep: 1. Shakir 2. Coleman 3. Palmer 4. Moore 5. Samuel 6. Davis

So actually I'm okay with passing on Worthy, I wasn't convinced that he was anything more than a gadget (still not). Jury is still out on Keon. I'm actually mostly frustrated on passing on Zay Flower and BTJ in back to back years when they were just a few picks away. We trade up for Elam and Kincaid without hesitation, but on an elite, explosive wide receivers, Beane's like nah, no thanks. Zay and BTJ were great receivers, not just a speed threat, it was obvious to anyone that watches a lot of football. Cannot understand what Beane and co were thinking.

This is delusional. A ton of weapons outside of Cook? What on earth are you smoking and can I please get some?? We don't have a single weapon that anyone has to game plan for outside of Cook, and even he has his limitations (I support what Beane is doing in contract negotiations there). That's not debatable, we have nobody that can take pressure off Allen. Those continuing to pound the "but #2 scoring offense" are missing the boat, Josh Allen is the sole reason the Bills offense is good, it would be off the charts if he actually had some weapons. Josh Allen making heroics up and down the field is not sustainable, and everything will have to go perfect for us to make a Super Bowl. Even the offensive line, while very solid, looks a lot better because JA avoids so many sacks. Don't kid yourself, it's him and only him. We need another weapon on offense that actually scares teams, and have for the last 3 years.

I think everyone is discounting that Cook very well may hold out to start the year. We need another option. We have zero weapons on offense outside of Cook. We can't keep putting it all on Allen's shoulders, it's so hard to win a Super Bowl that way, everything has to go perfect. So frustrated with Beane's approach to the RB and WR room. Literally nobody scares you.

I'm not opposed to adding Moore. Just disappointed once again that we are heading into a season for the 3rd year in a row without a single offensive player (outside of Allen) that even remotely scares you. Nobody worries about our offensive skill players, period. Allen will do what he does with JAG receivers, so I get not overspending , we don't need to be the bengals. But to not have a single explosive (and starting caliber) receiver for years and years is infuriating. Watching Beane just say "nah" when Flowers and BTJ were right there a couple picks away back to back drafts, but then he trades up for corner and DT with questionable value time and time again, just unbelievable. Anyone with even the slightest bit of football sense that watched those kids (Flowers, BTJ) play knew they were starting caliber and explosive out the gate. Just so frustrating. All on Allen once again this year. Everything has to go perfect to win a Super Bowl.

Forget Moore or Coop, they both have no chance at being an explosive #1 receiver. Watching Beane pass on Flowers and BTJ when they were just a few picks away is demoralizing, then seeing it happen again with Golden this year is almost too much. Beane is really out of his league with scouting receivers. Max Hariston was a fine pick and good value, but there was SO much depth at corner, we could have gotten a starter caliber in round 2 easy. Why do we refuse to bring in an explosive, good receiver??? It's like Beane keeps trying to double down on it, and our offense once again goes into a season with literally ZERO players that scare you outside of Allen. Just disappointing.

Brashard Smith please!! We need some type of offensive weapon out of this draft. Cannot believe we are being so neglectful. The only single skill player on our offense who even remotely might scare you is Cook, and he may be sitting out this year we have to prepare for that. We have to take a swing at receiver in the first at some point. Watching Zay Flowers and BTJ almost slide to us in back to back years and doing nothing is so defeating. Really hope Golden doesn't do well or else we may have to admit Beane isn't as good as we think.

Emannwori would be amazing! I'm not about reaching for a safety just for the heck of it but this kid is special. I watched him a lot in college, and I'm a Clemson alumni so I hate South Carolina but this kid would quickly be one of the best players on our defense. Our safety group is WEAK right now. Need at least one gamer back there.

This is not going to be popular but a young Sammy Watkins on this team would actually be amazing.

IF he somehow slides past 5, it would be malpractice to not pick up the phone for Beane and at least see what it would take to move up. That said, it ain't happening.

I generally agree with all of this. The biggest leverage Cook has is hurting the Bills this upcoming season by sitting out. Davis would be a huge drop-off, his ceiling is very limited, and frankly we should never go into a season with Davis as the RB1 or even the RB1b. Ty Johnson has produced at every opportunity though and I would be curious to see his numbers if he got every opportunity Cook got last year (plus still remaining the third down back). Johnson as the primary, with Davis and an explosive mid round rookie as depth would be very intriguing to me, and I would guess the combined production would look similar to Cook last year. My biggest concern though, despite not wanting to pay Cook $15m+, is the he is our biggest weapon outside of Allen. Cook is not elite but he's the only guy on our offense that even remotely scare you. Shakir is very solid but nobody is having to gameplan for him. This is where Beane has failed in not brining in an explosive top end receiver, year after year after year. Even with diggs we constantly should have been searching for an explosive high end #2 project at WR in the draft. That's on Beane for discounting the position.

Cook is very good but safely not elite. Elite players don't come off on the field on third down, period. Mostert had over 20 touchdowns but that doesn't make him elite. TDs are often very situational. If we give Davis/Johnson got more goal line carries Cook would have had closer to 10 tds last year. Never pay a guy coming off an obvious outsized production year. Look what we did with Knox, absolutely terrible contract, worst of Beane's tenure (Von was not a good contract, very risky but absent the injury it prob would have been fine). Cook is good and has improved, and that's what difficult is some of the crazy production last year was him truly improving and ascending, but not all of it. I would very much like to keep him but not at anything more than $12m per (unless it's very short term). You have to remember that Cook benefits greatly from Allen and our Oline. Arron Jones is a great comp. He has similar skills/style to Cook, and look he had one year at 16tds and has never come close to that TD production since. Beane is being smart by holding strong here, Cook is not Saquon Barkley.

Can't believe all the complainers here that are "outraged" over this. The NFL is the most popular sport in America, and has one of the best products in the world. This is not debatable. Of course they are going to try and maximize value. If the Bills play (or heck even if they don't) every single one of you will still be watching, to act otherwise is ridiculous. Get over yourself and pay $10 for a month of streaming. Just thank the Lord we still have football for the time being. The only people I feel bad for are people that have to work on Christmas.