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My $0.02. Could be completely wrong. History first: In 2019, when Hall was promoted to WR coach, he had experienced WR John Brown, Cole Beasley and then Zay Jones and Isaiah McKenzie, who couldn't run routes at the time and was strictly a "gadget guy". Brown could get taken away by physical coverage and Beasley could be bracketed; Daboll tried to compensate with Duke Williams and others in the playoffs but it wasn't enough 2020, Stefon Diggs, John Brown, Cole Beasley - very experienced group. Gabe Davis excelled at blocking and started to see some routes, as did McKenzie. All of the WR raved about Chad as a coach, and bought him a truck for Christmas. Receivers did get taken away in the AFCCG 2021, Stefon Diggs, Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley - again, very experienced group now with Gabe Davis really coming on and McKenzie showing up against man coverage. 2022, now we have Diggs and a much less experienced group who need to be coached up - Davis as the #2, McKenzie/Crowder as the slot guys, Hodgins, Gentry The end result was bringing Brown and Beasley off the sofa. Now, injuries to Crowder and Kumerow aren't Hall's fault. But just maybe, he was too close to the "squad" to give them the hard coaching they needed at times - to run crisper routes (Davis), to do wet ball drills more if that's what they needed to catch better in cold, wet weather. Davis and McKenzie both failed to take the expected step. Why were they the guys we were counting on? Did Hall go to the matt that they could get the job done, only to see them squib? And, it was a different dynamic with Diggs as the only established, high quality veteran. Maybe that produced a dynamic that was harder for Hall to deal with constructively? Was getting a gift console from McKenzie as "one of the squad" an indication of a coach who fell into the trap of being too close to the players? I think it may very much have been a mutual decision for Hall to move on. I think the Bills wanted a more experienced WR coach who they had more confidence in developing a rookie and some younger players while maintaining the respect of veteran guys. Also, if Hall pounded the table for Gabe as #2 and McKenzie as his slot, the Bills may have lost a bit of confidence in his player personnel e v a l. All speculation, but Henry has coached some pretty big names: "Henry came to IU from the Dallas Cowboys and he brought some clout to the role in Bloomington. He coached NFL Pro Bowlers Odell Beckham Jr., Anquan Boldin, Amari Cooper, CeeDee Lamb, Jarvis Landry, and Zach Miller. Henry also coached Beckham and Landry at LSU." I don't think there's a question that he's both a more experienced WR coach than Hall, and has developed some guys.

What recent stuff?

FIFY. AS you say in your 2nd sentence, he WAS an excellent coordinator - back in 2008 with the Ravens If you believe he was heavily involved in the defensive game plans and coaching for the Jets, give him 2014. That's 9 years ago. His defense sucked with the Bills - whether he didn't have the right players, didn't put in the time and effort, or allowed his brother too much say, anyone's guess. When you stop doing something for 9 years, your skills get rusty. Sometimes you can clean off the rust and reboot, sometimes your "get up and go" has just got up and went and you can't.

Your contention wasn't improvement. Your contention was that we already have a Superbowl trophy or 2 if Andy Reid is our HC The point is, at the same point in his HC career (and indeed for 20 years into his HC career), Reid had 0 Superbowls.

Not a fan of what I've seen of the Denver WR route running. 4 years with Belichick buried on the coaching depth chart as the TE coach Before that 3 pretty uninspiring offenses as the OC for KC, Miami, and the Browns I always prefer to feel positive so please say more. What WR developed nicely in Denver?

Dunno, says he's out of the running and the Cardinals have narrowed their search down to Gannon or Anarumo https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/mike-kafka-out-of-cardinals-hc-race/ar-AA17rxpL

Wouldn't the same "laid an egg" logic apply to Anarumo's defense for the Bengals loss in the AFCCG? Not that I wouldn't be happy to see Anarumo move on

Which Andy Reid as head coach you want? The one who was head coach in Philadelphia from 1999-2012 with 2 division round losses, 4 conference losses, a superbowl loss, and 2 WC losses for it? The one who was head coach in KC from 2013-2018 with 2 WC losses, 2 division losses, a conference loss, and a lot of people saying he didn't have what it took to win the big ones?

That was pretty widely reported at the time - Rapoport, Schefter , etc.

Dude, learn your medical lingo. Your final thoughts on the matter will be of more value if you do A sprain literally IS a tear to the ligaments. This is for ankles, but the same Grade I, II, III system holds true for any ligament anywhere. Allen's sprain was said at the time to be milder side Grade II, meaning stretching and some tearing (but not a complete tear) of the ligament. That's why there were widespread reports at the time that he would miss 2-4 weeks. He braced it and played through it, but it clearly affected his mechanics. Even a complete tear is technically a sprain.

It was a hold. That’s not the issue. The issue is those kind of holds are committed by both teams and go uncalled for much of the game. Call the game fairly both ways and evenly through the game

Like he did in the 2020 AFCCG where we lost 24-38, and were losing 15-38 early in the 4Q? People have some damned selective memories around here

To be fair…Hurts strip sack fumble run in for a TD was a difference making play in the game. Aren’t we pretty damn critical of other QB who turn the football over for a score like that? Agree on the Eagles D. Again, that penalty at the end was bad….but if the Eagles ST didn’t get toasted on a return, and toasted crispy on 2 TD passes, they aren’t in a position where that makes a difference in the game

I see it that way but I’m sure KC fans are too busy celebrating to care To be fair, the Eagles D got toasted brown and crispy on busted coverage for 2 TDs, and if they’d played those better, they’d not have been in the position where a ticky-tack DH call that KC does nearly every play could burn them like that

Yeah, that was really ticky tack

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Why can’t we have someone who makes contested catches like Dallas Goeddert? That is all

He’s a Pats or Dolphins fan and a troll. Of course he’s sure about that. Don’t hassle him with any Facts son

I think I’d like that, but while the two big penalties called were legit, the Iggles D better find an answer for Kelce fast

Well, I could be wrong, but I think the problem is the opposite to what you describe. I don't think the OP is concerned about critical thought and discussion. I think he's concerned about substituting knee-jerk reaction and "I had a thought" (that don't pass muster when critical thought, or even a single actual fact, are applied to them) for critical thought and discussion. When too much of that goes on (whether it's positive or negative) it changes the culture of a place, be it a workplace or a message board. Again, I could be wrong, and that's not to say that a "My Team, Right or Wrong" "True fans don't Criticize" mindset doesn't exist here and isn't a problem when it does.

Need a subscription to read TBN articles too, dontcha?

Let's just look at the top 3 in targets. Right off the bat, it pops out that McKinnon is the #3 in targets and #4 in receiving yards. So that's something the Bills don't have - significant contributions from a pass-catching back. We can debate why that is, but it Is. OK, leave him out - do you really want to construct an argument that Kelce, Juju SS, and MVS ~= Diggs, Davis, Knox? I'll hang up and listen Well, someone put in 1 vote for Damar Hamlin's EMS team as I understand it so

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The thing is, there needs to be an awareness that the first 3 sentences are statements of emotion, not factual. It may be true that Beane and McDermott don't have what it takes to get over the top. Or it may be false. Fact: 2016 after their 2nd consecutive Division round loss, Tony Dungy harshes at Andy Reid on National TV "the Chiefs may win a Superbowl, but it won't be with Andy Reid as their head coach. In 2017, the Chiefs lost 2 more regular-season games and lost in the WC round. 4 years later, the Chiefs had been to 2 Superbowls, won 1, lost 1. There's no reason to believe any coach has what it takes to win a championship, until they do.

I think the problem that the OP is raising is that, while the bolded is true, it's right now swamped by many more repetitive threads about firing coaches and exaulting talented and competitive, but immature players or doing ridiculous things (like trading them for a $37M cap hit, falling to $26M or something like that next season). Sure everyone has a right to their personal opinion. It's whether and how often and how it's expressed, and whether it's actually backed by good information and rational observation, or only FACTS. The thing is, this has usually been a good board for good football discussion, not just stupid "I had a neuron flash" knee-jerk reaction. Maybe it will be again some time, but right now it's not, and it seems to me people have a right to have opinions on just as much on whether Sean is a horrible coach who will always lose the big game, or a good coach just not for this era. I've been here since 2008, by the way. I haven't made peace with how the season ended, but I don't see how endless "off with his head, he sucks!" "Diggs is the only good player on the Bills, they should all have hissy fits and yell at the QB on the sideline and storm out of the locker room!" threads will help towards that end. And reading all that won't help me. Just my opinion, I'm told everyone has a right to them. No thanks on the cookie, but nice of you to offer.