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No argument on those points. My point was with the value of the coach’s recommendation of him as “most NFL ready receiver”. I don’t think that particular coach had a basis to tell

I think the Zay Jones issue was that his coach wasn’t an NFL level coach and didn’t know what he didn’t know IIRC he hasn’t been back in the NFL since.

The year he re-signed, there were a lot of stories in the press and posts here that the Bills were expected to be out-bid in the open market. Milano himself trolled fans (and maybe the Bills FO a bit) posting pictures of his dinner with a yacht salesman etc. Then he decided he wanted to stay, and re-signed just prior to FA- by which time I’m sure his agent had a great read on his FA value. He probably took a bit less to stay here but not a lot. Edmunds may feel he can earn Roquan Smith $$ and maybe he can, but I don’t think the Bills can/will pay that

The fact that it happened with Davante Adams and has happened in the past with a handful of players does not refute the fact that it seldom happens, which is the claim you are addressing with “why do you guys not look up facts before posting?” It could, theoretically, happen with any player who has a strong market but the fact remains it’s risky business for a team with tight cap space (or no cap space) because they only have a week between the tagging and the need to be under the cap on the first day of the league New Year. So trade partners are aware of that, and can push for a “fire sale”, and if the trade doesn’t go through the team is in a bind. Adams was arguably the best WR in the league. Do you think any of the Bills FA, including Edmunds, are arguably the best players at their positions in the league?

They’re saying $82M guaranteed in the first 2 years.

This here says it’s not true. Purged his twitter feed (does this most years). Still follows Bills, Allen etc on Insta & Twitter

Dude look around first Not when it would involve the player giving back bonus they’ve already been paid and converting it to salary to reduce dead cap, which is what would have to happen. Not allowed

Press, at the combine

Conspiracy theorists may enjoy: https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/frazier-s-exit-doesn-t-pass-the-sniff-test/article_bb6b04e1-728e-5aaf-90f5-4c10252813dc.html I mean, he's not wrong about the "sniff test" in the sense that I can't recall another coach, under contract, taking a voluntary year off. "Unprecedented" is the word that comes to mind. I think there's more to it. On the other hand, he's fluffing up the hiring of Al Holcomb as "defensive assistant" as suspicious. We did something similar on the offensive side last year, hiring Mike Shula, and a couple of Bills press guys have pointed out differences in how Holcomb used LBs and Joe Danna used safeties as changes the Bills may wish to employ He's also microanalyzing Beane's response to a reporter's question about whether Frazier would be the DC if he hadn't decided to take a year off. Beane was asked if Frazier would still be the DC if he hadn't decided to take a year off and Beane said "Yes". It really isn't so suspicious when you watch the presser. He's not fluffing up the point that Frazier was himself a championship winning CB, that his youngest son played CB for Rice, and that what happened to Damar may have hit him personally and hard. The Hamlin thing is pretty well unprecedented, as well.

C'mon man. Someone being fat does not put the rest of the public at risk of death or serious injury. Driving recklessly - drag racing on public streets in a suburb with other cars on the road - does. Heck even violating traffic laws like failing to stop at a red light or failin It's pretty nonsensical to suggest limiting the kind of cars adults can buy as a solution, but countering it with a personal health issue and suggesting that food be regulated is an absurd analogy. If that's the best ideas and reasoning you got, quit now.

I'm not gonna go there with the "wrongful arrest", but it has been known to happen that people call into the police for, lets say, spurious reasons. My FIL, about as law abiding a person as one can find, was once pulled over by two very nervous (hence aggressive) officers for "transporting weapons" after someone called it in, and they weren't made less nervous when my late MIL pulled her car off the road behind them. (The "weapons" observed were metal kitchen chair legs) Apparently the "open alcohol container between his legs" was found to be half full of tobacco spit. I'm sure if it was alcohol, and open, they would have gotten him with "open container" at the least. The "loaded firearm in the car" - c'mon Man, this is Texas. A loaded firearm in the car is only a problem if another felony has been committed. So once the other charges went away, the firearms charge went with them. A late friend of mine used to quip, when he was enroute from Indiana to Texas to take up a job "when I crossed the Texas border, they searched my car for firearms. Fortunately I had some, so they let me in". As far as the "apparently chances were great"... that has not come up publicly, you may have an inside source but if they didn't test for it, it's an assertion without evidence, and respectfully, law enforcement has been known to circulate self-justificatory stories internally. I'm sure you've encountered this.

I hope he hired a good lawyer, but I'm surprised a good lawyer and agent would let him speak.

Just a guess, but pretty sure if he stayed and they measured his BAC, it woulda been higher than the legal limit

Yeah, I'm familiar with that research. Here's the counterpoint - the brain shows remarkable plasticity as an organ. It changes in response to its environment and the demands placed upon it. When people are exposed to different environments and have different expectations and responsibilities, it's not a stretch to think the brain may develop differently. My Grandfather went to school through 8th grade then 2 years of "business college". At age 15, he went to work full time and was expected to play a significant role as a family breadwinner. This was only unusual, in that a lot of kids of that era went to work full time at age 13, right after 8th grade. Then there was Selective Service, which he was too young for in 1917 but registered for in 1942 (18 to 45). Young men were drafted, trained, and somehow expected to exercise a great deal of responsibility, not infrequently leading other young men in combat. It wouldn't surprise me, if the brains of these young men were examined, or the brains of young men and women elsewhere in the world who are expected to exercise adult-size responsibilities in their late teens/early 20s, if they were found to have significantly more mature pre-frontal cortexes capable of accomplishing executive brain functions at a higher level. In one interview Josh Allen was talking about his grandparents and father and uncles, and how, looking at photos of them at high school age, they had the muscles of "grown ass men" because of the hard manual work they did. My contention: young skeletal muscle develop early if needed and used on regular daily basis; young brain develop regularly if judgement and reasoning needed and used on regular daily basis. Meta in the sense I was using it, more comprehensive or transcending. Transitioning from this specific instance to comprehensive consideration about 20 year old kids, who at one time were considered adults and at 18 for some purposes and 21 for others, legally still are.

I mean, there are a couple of points. HC hired this season Broncos - retread Sean Payton Cards - Eagles DC Jon Gannon Texans - 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans Colts - Eagles OC Sean Steichen Panthers - retread Frank Reich 2 retreads, 2 young DCs, 1 young OC HC hired last season Saints - Saints DC Dennis Allen, retread of failed Raiders HC Giants - Bills OC Brian Daboll Bears - Colts DC Matt Eberflus Broncos - Green Bay OC Nathaniel Hackett Dolphins - 49ers OC Mike McDaniel LV Raiders -NE OC Josh McDaniels, retread of failed Denver HC and failed Rams OC Vikings - LA Rams OC Kevin O'Connell Jaguars - (out of football) Doug Pederson, retread of Eagles HC who failed to develop Carson Wentz but won a Superbowl and a WC game with Nick Foles Texans - Texans DC Lovie Smith, retread Bucs and Bears HC. With the Bears, Smith managed a Div, Conf, and SB appearance w/ QB Orton, Cutler, and Grossman 4 retreads (counting Allen as a retread), 1 middle-aged DC, 3 young OCs So it's clearly not true that only hot young offensive coaches are being hired. 6 of the HC hires of the last 2 seasons are re-tread HCs, and 5 of 14 were defensive coaches. However, only 2 of the 6 retreads hired were defensive coaches. Leaving aside the "race" question, I think it's fair for Frazier to look at his accomplishments and say that he's shown at least as much as other coaches who got a 2nd chance. What did Josh McDaniel do in Denver? 8-8, 4-12. What did Dennis Allen do with the Raiders? Two 4 and 12 seasons, one of them with Carson Palmer who moved to AZ and promptly showed that he could still play at a high level. As DC, Allen led a couple top defenses (#4 and #5) with NO but they fizzed in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Frazier has had 3 #1 or #2 defenses in his 6 years, and two of the years he didn't were rebuilding. As a HC, he took the Vikes to 10-5 and a playoff appearance with Ponder as his QB. Obviously, he'd get more looks if his D had performed better for the last 13 seconds last season and in the Cincy game this season, but failure of his defense to perform in a playoff game doesn't seem to have been a bar to Dennis Allen. So why is that? I'm not saying "race" is the answer, but I think it would be naive to think that it doesn't factor in. The owners of NFL teams are, for the most part, old white guys, and for the most part, all of us (black white M F) are simply more comfortable with people who remind us of ourselves in some way. Mostly we aren't even consciously aware of this kind of bias. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if that question weighed on Frazier, as another season with a top ranked D and a playoff win apparently failed to get him so much as a phone call, while the Broncos traded away what? to get Payton out of retirement. I would imagine there is an element of frustration there. It's common advice for guys who have not made it as HC to take a year off before taking another position, so that they can be sure they have time to do a thorough "lessons learned". That might apply to Frazier, as well. As an immediate reason to step away and at this time, I'm not sure. I would guess, that either there was going to be a change in the defense that he wasn't comfortable with - Joe Danna I think was brought in from Houston and Al Holcomb, whose longest experience was as LB coach of the Panthers, in part because the Bills want to utilize their safeties and LB a bit differently. Maybe Frazier isn't comfortable with that? It's also possible that McDermott decided that he was going to call defensive plays next season, and Frazier understandably sees that as a demotion. Then there's the possibility that there are medical or family reasons. After listening to Beane's entire presser, I personally think that is less likely. The whole bit about he doesn't want to retire and Beane isn't sure if he'll be coaching with the Bills in 2024 just doesn't sound like a guy who asked for leave for those reasons, but that's entirely a personal opinion.

We seem to be infantalizing early-20s kids these days and acting as though that's the norm. If we're gonna go all "meta" here: maybe that should stop. I mean, Durrrr, but is that supposed to be a problem or something? Or does it hit a "soft spot" in you? In other words, What's Your Point?

I have sped,and driven recklessly, but not 1) in a populated area 2) while under the influence of alcohol. It's one thing to die or risk turning into a vegetable for your own kicks, and another to risk inflicting that on someone else. No DUI, car he was driving was not in an accident What's Your Point?

I doubt that there are sidewalks in that particular area, but otherwise, Thank You. This. This was not a long empty straight deserted country road. There were other cars on the road, a road busy enough to have a center turn lane, and they were passing them. Then I don't even know what to say to you. Yes I do - you were an ####### when you did it, you were putting innocent bystanders at almost as much risk as if you were twirling around shooting a gun, and you really need to quit normalizing this as something just "everybody does". https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/teen-volleyball-player-from-tennessee-critically-injured-in-downtown-st-louis-crash/ This kind of thing. There's a young lady - a young lady who entered the weekend with a full ride volleyball scholarship to college - who just lost both her legs and whose life will never be the same (if she lives) because #######s think that traffic laws don't apply to them. The driver and the other car are fine, of course -the car and its engineering protected them, but not the young lady who was walking down the sidewalk minding her own business. You did it, you don't do it now, Good for You, but don't normalize it.

I will put it out there. I think you are confusing "most guys" with "the guys I know" and "Pearl clutching" with people being appalled at behavior that puts innocents at high risk, and at normalizing this behavior as something "most adult guys" have done. You're correct, he didn't kill his teammate. The other driver - a white woman, by the way - killed his teammate and herself, so I'm not sure exactly where your "white kid does this and good ol boy routine" gets off.

Good grief I get what you're saying about teenage/early 20s "invincible" thinking and testosterone-fueled pursuit of the "danger zone" But Barnett State Road just outside Athens is not a deserted straight long country road. It's suburban, heading into another town, where the crash occurred. It has a center turn lane (which they were reported to be using) and they were reported to be passing other motorists.

Oh, without a doubt it was a total team collapse.

Well, that speaking won't happen if Carter's legal defense team has anything to do with it. Seriously, driving 104 mph in the opposite lane of traffic (edit: in a suburban area, no less) seems like "something almost everyone has done" to you?

You have a point. There were a lot of factors - injuries, field conditions etc - but the Bengals had horrible OL injuries and we couldn't take advantage. I've heard that a lot of play on the lines is mental, not physical. You have two sets of behemoth men, both of whom train hard and are strong, both of whom are playing hindered by injuries at that time of year. The difference often comes down to mental preparation and toughness. Same with being able to plant and cut on a snowy field. I have had the thought, for a while, that someone on the Bills defensive staff needs time and familiarity to craft an effective gameplan. We've played the Chiefs 6 times under McDermott, even split. 5 times with Mahomes at QB. The first two times, they thumped us convincingly. Then we beat them convincingly, then the 13 seconds playoff game where it looked like we had them beat, only...then another strong win last fall. Part of that is the McDermott growth mindset that if you don't succeed, you pick your failure apart and decide what needs to change and fix it and try again. We had not played the Bengals since 2019, with Andy Dalton at QB (we won). It seems as though sometimes, someone on the Bills coaching staff has a sort of failure of imagination and can't necessarily craft an effective gameplan from watching what works for other teams. For whatever reason, whether coaching or execution (I think, both) the Bills defense appeared unprepared and ineffective. A good question is if the seeming need to actually play a team and get thumped by them before we can craft a good defense against them, belongs to Frazier, or to McDermott, or to both.

There's a crying need-to-know here https://www.insider.com/bodybuilder-showed-how-fitness-photos-can-be-misleading-2019-10#in-2016-murphy-posted-a-10-minute-transformation-challenge-video-to-his-youtube-account-to-share-what-he-learned-about-posing-for-photos-with-his-followers-2 Spoiler: same guy, same muscles, same time different pose: I'm not saying Gabe may not have gone off his training diet a bit for a month (and why shouldn't he), but you clearly have been engulfed by the unrealistic body expectations projected onto men these days by a combination of ripped GI Joe and superhero toys and male Instagram influencers. Gabe is not required to oil his body, flex, and pose with optimal lighting and posture to meet your standards for his appearance in order to demonstrate that he trains seriously to function as an NFL WR at a high level. You clearly don't understand that male Instagram influencers like bodybuilder Connan Murphy who train for defined musculature, don't even look like that when they're chillaxing with their buds. And that's not even getting into the difference between training for functional strength and training for appearance.

That was a big puzzle to me, why that was the case. Did not seem to be slowing Cincy at all