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You're right, that has been seen here. There are 2 possibilities and we'll never know to what degree each is true: 1) The Bills wanted someone with a different skill set for developing young WR/managing the WR room so when Hall's contract was up, they moved on 2) Chad Hall was ready to move on from the Bills for personal reasons - he wanted a different part of the country or a team with different opportunities Baked into both possibilities is the element of dissatisfaction from either side - on the Bills side, with results this past season; on Hall's side, with the culture and organizational plan, especially on the offensive side.

Of course! But it's also plausible that if the Bills thought he was an amazing, fantastic, "he'll be a huge loss to our staff" tops-in-the-league WR coach, they would have made a strong push to keep him - give him additional developmental responsibilities, more $$, try to address any personal reasons if they can. Whereas this seems more like "thank you for your service, we wish you success in your future endeavors, NEXT!"

Might be about all my contributions are worth I'm not sure that's exactly what I'm suggesting. But different teaching and different coaching styles work better for different guys. Let's suppose, as a WR coach, Hall is excellent at coaching up some fine points for experienced WR - better release, better fake, better footwork at the cut. Let's suppose he's not so good at something else, like teaching a young WR how to identify the defense and adjust his route to find the soft spot in a zone, or how to dissect coverage tendencies and choose an option route. (Now I don't know that's the case, but on one of his shows with Ty Dunne talking about Beasley, McKenzie said that Cole had done a lot for him has a young WR, had really taught him to watch film and read defenses.) Or let's say Hall is a bit too much "one of the squad" and doesn't push the receivers to running extra drills they hate, wet ball drills with cold balls, for example. Now, with Diggs, Sanders, and Beasley - coaching the fine points is what's needed. Those guys have probably forgotten more about watching film and ID'ing a D than Hall knows. And they have hands, dry wet cold. OTOH, with Davis, McKenzie, and Shakir, maybe what's needed is something Hall wasn't as good at, coaching hard at more fundamental points. And they need to practice catching wet and wet, cold balls more. They need to experiment with different gloves. McKenzie needs to be pushed to catch with his hands. What pushes guys? Well, when there are a lot of vets in the room, the vets push the guys. They serve as both an example, and a source of practical advice. Maybe Hall's coaching strengths were a match for what Diggs, Sanders, Brown, Beasley needed, but less of a match for Davis and McKenzie and Shakir needed. I don't know that it's true, but it seems possible. If it's true that Davis and McKenzie went to Beane and asked him to bring Beasley back, that would argue they see a gap or a dynamic they hope Beasley will change. Then toss in that with Diggs, I'm not sure what you have is a true leader of men. I think there's a great big "I" in Diggs, and that he can be oblivious and not sufficiently self-aware. His tweets complaining about having to cook himself dinner on Dec 27 are an example of that. The driving ban in the City of Buffalo wasn't lifted until Dec 29th. Supermarkets and neighborhood markets are struggling to get in food supplies. People are struggling to get to markets and buy food. We're just a couple days out from conditions where some people literally died because they made a decision to walk or drive to a market and got stuck. And this guy's whinging on Twitter about having to cook for himself? DUDE! So maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not sure he's going to be the one sitting down with Shakir or Hodgins and saying "work on this when you release" or sitting down with Davis and McKenzie and saying "hey, run this route this way". So if that's something Hall didn't excel at, and that Beasley and Sanders or Brown did but Diggs doesn't, now you're missing something that maybe the coaches don't even know was being done. There may be more to the story, but this is a guy who is leading the team in targets - by a lot. 154 targets. McKenzie and Davis together have 158 targets. And he's complaining that he isn't getting the ball, in front of TE and WR who actually AREN'T Getting the ball when they're open - not by privately going up to the QB and saying "hey, #23 is playing me this way, but I can do this and get open" or "I'm there for you bro, I was open on 2nd down, hit me I'll make you right", but by waving his arms and yelling on the sideline. Giant "I", no self awareness. I think Dorsey had more horizontal components to his play design than folks realize. I also think he was trying to make up for the protection deficiencies of the OL by leaving in an RB to protect and having the TE chip and release, which limits what can be done downfield in a passing game, especially if Josh won't hit those short routes.

Stefon Diggs may not be demanding a trade or anything crazy like that (and the Bills would take way too much dead cap to trade him) - but his brother Trevon Diggs is certainly banging that drum "til he got blisters on his hand"

Negative, I heard that interview, and I'm pretty sure that's not what Cosell was talking about at all. I believe what Cosell was talking about would be we'd have man-beater routes on one side and zone-beater routes on the other, but the timing of the reads wouldn't match up OR Josh would start his reads on the wrong side (zone side if it was actually man, man side if it was actually zone) - either way, guys weren't coming open in sequence as the reads progressed, so that by the time Josh would get to the other side of the field receivers who had uncovered were covered again. I think a better interview on it was one McKenzie did where he talked about he and Davis having "option routes" where they could both choose their routes based on defensive coverage provided they didn't interfere with each other. But, either the two of them weren't on the same page about route choice or how the routes were run so that they DID interfere with each other, or one or both of them weren't reading the defensive coverage correctly (thus not choosing a good route for the coverage), or, something else - but it clearly wasn't working correctly and they would wind up in the same area of the field, bringing defenders with them. OK, now maybe he can chart how often Shakir faced single man coverage? Because I think he faced a lot of zone (the Bills in general faced a lot of zone), and he wasn't open too much there.

Yes, that stood out to me as well

Definitely agree with you there!

I absolutely don't think trading a young CB on a cheap contract is a good move. CB is a high injury position, and as both this season and last season showed, the team is only a play away from losing a player for a game or a good part of the season. So quality depth at CB is far from a luxury. I believe both Beane and McDermott mentioned looking at moving Christian Benford to safety, which is definitely not a position where we have a surplus, especially with Hyde coming back from a neck injury and a lot of question marks in Damar Hamlin's playing future. I think the right player to trade is a guy who is either on a high-priced contract or about to become a high-priced contract. Ed Oliver, for example, if he is intriguing to another team.

You might want to distinctly revamp and revise your distinct remembrances because this guy has played zero, no, nada, 0, snaps on defense for the Chiefs in the last two seasons. Therefore, he can not have been burnt by Josh nor chased our receivers into the end zone. Therefore your memories are...mistaken Yes, he's an add with special teams in mind, and possibly also for some brain-picking about how the Chiefs prepare and pre-game for playoffs. Now that's a possibility. He's bigger (6'2", 206) than Jaquan (5'10", 191) and in fact was a "tweener" who played both LB and safety in college.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayne_Anderson Mostly practice squad guy for the Chiefs last 2 seasons 4 games in 2021 with 0 defensive and significant (60%) ST snaps, played in playoffs 3 games in 2022 with 0 defensive and significant (69%) ST snaps, did not play in playoffs Decent athleticism - 4.44s 40 yd dash, 34" vertical, 10 ft broad jump. HS All-state as a sprinter (Utah) Nothing about being a baseball player, McDermott values baseball outfielders at Safety because of their ability to track the ball. STer or depth guy would be my guess.

It's not only a source on the staff, but a source in the right place at the right time on the staff. A lot of workplaces are like small towns, by which I mean the game of "telephone" is rampant - Fred hears something and tells Joe who interprets it and tells Dave who tells Mark, and by the time Mark hears it the context is stripped out and a few interpretations have been folded in. I don't know what a football team is like, but it would seem to have all the earmarks of this. I don't think the visible sideline spat was after a missed throw.

Fair enough. Do you work for the team, and that is how you know it to be true?

I would go with $14/15 AAV What really good guard is available in FA next year, period?

So what in your POV would be accurate?

In general, he tends to be accurate or high from what I've seen. I tend to think it's low, and Edmunds will get considerably more - but there's a lot of room between $11M/yr and $20M/yr. The franchise tag is high for LB because it includes pass rushing LB and edge rushers - and it's just shy of $21M Roquan Smith got $20M/yr because he can rush the passer and tackle for a loss. He's not Tremaine Edmunds.

Spotrac, which is usually fairly astute, says 4 years/$44M Market Value 4 yrs, $44,035,532 Avg. Salary: $11,008,883 NFL Rank: 183 ILB Rank: 7 If it's such a slam-dunk Edmunds would get $20M, the Bills could franchise him and trade him.

Where was this reported?

The thing is, I don't see a restructure that would allow the Bills to move on from him. As far as I know, the NFLPA/NFL does not allow a player to take some of his signing and restructure bonuses and turn them back into salary

That's Roquan Smith money. Please explain why you feel Edmunds should get Roquan Smith money.

I mean, he shouldn't "commit" to anyone until there's a contract he's willing to sign. On the other hand, Milano pretty much said the same thing, and wound up re-signing with the Bills. In the article:

Dude, first off, we have some serious revisionist history going on with Daboll. Could Daboll be creative? Sure. Was he too cute for his own good in 2018, his first year here? Absolutely he was. I spent literally hours watching all-22 trying to figure out what the hell he was trying to do with certain run plays, begging some of the knowledgeable guys here to help me sort it out. Did he stay too cute for his own good at times? Sure! Consider 2021 - we opened the season unable to get any offense going against a Steelers game plan we had no answers for. Daboll's idea to foil teams bracketing Beasley was to add Sanders so teams couldn't bracket both and go 5 wide, well Keith Butler had a plan for that. We got blown out against the Colts, stalled out against the Jaguars, and had some questionable play calling against the Titans. There were times when people had "solved" us and we had no answers. I can remember people here, last year, complaining that Daboll's offense had become too predictable, no creativity, we weren't able to scheme guys open in the intermediate passing game, etc etc. Let's not pretend that with Daboll at OC the Bills were an infalliable juggernaut of offensive perfection. Let's also not pretend that there wasn't a sizeable contingent of fans here ready to move on from him as OC. Second, a team simply doesn't go 13-3 in the regular season, #2 offense, lose the 3 games we lost by a combined 8 points, if "all our innovation went out the door with Daboll". Sorry, you do need some innovation on offense to do that. Did our offense have flaws, sure, but Josh wasn't hurling moon shots down the field too much at times because he had no other options. Are you right that Dorsey may be a mistake at OC? Perhaps. I'm with Joe Buscaglia, who opined that running it back with Dorsey as OC may be the biggest risk the Bills are taking this season. Dorsey needs to take a step, especially in the red zone and with crafting sequences of plays. But Josh may need to take a step there too. I think sometimes Dorsey does have things schemed up for Josh, that he doesn't see or take, including in the RZ. That's my real question - I feel there's a coaching disconnect between Josh and Dorsey and Brady at times, where Daboll had smacked Josh with a board between the eyes as a young raw QB that Josh would listen to him, while Dorsey and Brady don't have his attention. I don't know if that's fixable. I do believe we need more OL talent and more WR talent, and that's not on Dorsey. With Brown and Beasley (younger and higher level of skill) in 2020 and with Sanders and Beasley in 2021, Daboll had more to work with. But let's quit with the "Daboll great infalliable innovator Dorsey no innovation at all bletch puke" line, it doesn't pass the memory check.

“Coaching changes” “Anything related to the Bills” Two different statements, suggesting that two different answers may be required. I don’t think he’s said anything publicly that indicates unhappy about “anything related to the Bills” or coaching changes/lack of coaching changes. With how the season ended, sure. I have no idea what he’s said to teammates - how would I know? For that matter, how would you know?

He was an ERFA (exclusive rights FA) who couldn’t negotiate with any other team, provided he was offered a vet minimum contract by the Giants So that’s what he got

You know that Diggs is unhappy about coaching changes (or lack of changes) how? You know that Diggs is unhappy with anything related to the Bills right now how?