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I think you need to actually watch the games to know why he was not being targeted. I actually am typically interested in who teams turn too when they are losing in the second half. If a team is winning and running the ball, no particular reason to be passing to anyone.

me either, hence the question.

I know he was not a fan favorite when drafted. Where was he projected to be drafted to make him a reach?

Broeker may be competition for Spencer Brown.

I promise two guys besides Milano will be starters.

Interesting one. If he had been a 4th round draft pick, his NFL statistics would look very good. But he has a tremendously long career and is 10th in points for a career. So I think he qualifies as going on to success. And he was definitely considered a reach.

Whitner was a reach who went on to great success in the NFL?

All five of those guys will play games in the NFL.

It fits the general concept of going against the grain, and making a bold decision. Taking a guy at 1 instead of 5 is probably equalivalent to taking a guy at 25 instead of 100.

Good b Good observation. Good thread.

eagles are good at this stuff:

Maybe pairing Torrence with Brown, elevates Browns game?

This is almost certainly correct.

At the conclusion of the pre-draft process, Irvin was projected to be a second or third round pick by NFL draft experts and scouts. While he showed superior speed and athleticism, many analysts and draft experts had him a second round draft prospect due to his numerous off the field issues he had throughout his youth and time at West Virginia. He was ranked the fifth best outside linebacker in the draft by NFLDraftScout.com. https://web.archive.org/web/20120423194924/http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=108840&draftyear=2012&genpos=OLB

Where is Broerker? Bills clear $6 million of cap space cutting Morse. Not Terry, but definitely Jessica Pegula, much higher level of athleticism.

I am going to cheat and use PFF's justification for an A grade: BUFFALO BILLS R1 (25): TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah R2 (59): G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida R3 (91): LB Dorian Williams, Tulane R5 (150): WR Justin Shorter, Florida R7 (230): OG Nick Broeker, Ole Miss R7 (252): CB Alex Austin, Oregon State Day 1: The Bills make a small jump but land the premier pass-catching tight end in the draft in Kincaid. The 10th overall player on the PFF big board, this is a huge value pick. Kincaid was the focal point of the Utah offense and led all players at the position with a 91.8 PFF receiving grade. Day 2: Like the Giants just a few picks ago, this could have easily been the Bills’ first-round pick. A mountain of a man at the position, he can still move better than his size would suggest. After starting his career at Louisiana, he made the move to the SEC with ease, finishing 2022 with an 89.9 PFF run-blocking grade, which was the best in the Power Five last season. The Bills trade up to secure Williams, a player with legitimate range and a huge wingspan. Those traits helped him morph into one of the most impactful players at the position against the pass throughout his college career. Williams produced a top-10 coverage grade among FBS off-ball linebackers in two of his last three seasons at Tulane. Day 3: Shorter is one of the bigger wide receivers in this class, coming in at 6-foot-4 and 234 pounds with nearly 34-inch arms. He was a big-play threat for the Gators and averaged 19.9 yards per reception in 2022 without a dropped pass. He’ll likely fill a similar role for Buffalo and compete to be on the receiving end of Josh Allen bombs. Most of Broeker’s 3,323 offensive snaps at Ole Miss came at left tackle, but he kicked inside to left guard in 2022. He was a reliable pass protector for the Rebels with 70.0-plus PFF pass-blocking grades in each of the past two seasons. Austin produced 70.0-plus PFF coverage and run defense grades in his final season in college. On the field for 476 coverage snaps, he allowed 42 receptions for 529 yards in 2022. DRAFT GRADE: A

Lions have assembled a nice list of UFDAs https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-udfa-tracker-2023/

Like Duke Williams?

PFF liked us: BUFFALO BILLS R1 (25): TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah R2 (59): G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida R3 (91): LB Dorian Williams, Tulane R5 (150): WR Justin Shorter, Florida R7 (230): OG Nick Broeker, Ole Miss R7 (252): CB Alex Austin, Oregon State Day 1: The Bills make a small jump but land the premier pass-catching tight end in the draft in Kincaid. The 10th overall player on the PFF big board, this is a huge value pick. Kincaid was the focal point of the Utah offense and led all players at the position with a 91.8 PFF receiving grade. Day 2: Like the Giants just a few picks ago, this could have easily been the Bills’ first-round pick. A mountain of a man at the position, he can still move better than his size would suggest. After starting his career at Louisiana, he made the move to the SEC with ease, finishing 2022 with an 89.9 PFF run-blocking grade, which was the best in the Power Five last season. The Bills trade up to secure Williams, a player with legitimate range and a huge wingspan. Those traits helped him morph into one of the most impactful players at the position against the pass throughout his college career. Williams produced a top-10 coverage grade among FBS off-ball linebackers in two of his last three seasons at Tulane. Day 3: Shorter is one of the bigger wide receivers in this class, coming in at 6-foot-4 and 234 pounds with nearly 34-inch arms. He was a big-play threat for the Gators and averaged 19.9 yards per reception in 2022 without a dropped pass. He’ll likely fill a similar role for Buffalo and compete to be on the receiving end of Josh Allen bombs. Most of Broeker’s 3,323 offensive snaps at Ole Miss came at left tackle, but he kicked inside to left guard in 2022. He was a reliable pass protector for the Rebels with 70.0-plus PFF pass-blocking grades in each of the past two seasons. Austin produced 70.0-plus PFF coverage and run defense grades in his final season in college. On the field for 476 coverage snaps, he allowed 42 receptions for 529 yards in 2022. DRAFT GRADE: A Is Broerker a stealth Spencer Brown Competitor?

How do teams gain extra possessions?

One of the the Big winner in the draft was the Chiefs. Compare the offseason moves and draft in the AFC east, to already dismal chiefs competition in the AFC west. It is not clear any AFC west team meaningfully improved itself in the offseason, Sean Payton notwithstanding.

ok. i concede, if that is the definition. Does Edmunds fit this definition. Texans, transformed there offense and defense. I am not saying they are now a superbowl contender. But they went from nothing at all to being 0 to 2 years from being a meaningfull team.

You are just wrong. It is not worth the trouble to explain the difference in the NFL Mock Draft Industy in 2023 to the the five guys who talked about in on tv in 1989. I am likely older than you. I was there in 1989. 1979 and 1969 too.