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Almost like it’s a poor strategy to rely on a late first round rookie TE to significantly contribute as a starting big slot receiver on a team trying to make a deep playoff and superbowl run.

It’s almost November….

It’s a hell of a lot easier finding a slot guy than a boundary WR better than Davis. unless you’re Brandon Beane and can do neither.

Correct. The debate between "Is Gabe better as a WR2 or as a WR3" is all because we do not have a slot player. Would our offense be better if we had a good slot player taking 30% of Gabe's targets and 10-20% of Diggs'? Yes. Does that mean Gabe isn't a good starting boundary WR in the NFL? No. Saying Gabe Davis isn't a good enough #2 is missing the forest for the trees.

So we're just walking away from the point that new coaches with franchise QB's didn't work because they didn't all win Superbowls? And we are ignoring that they have mostly won MORE playoff games and got deeper into the postseason? Oooookay.

So new coach who doesn't win Lombardis = costing team seasons McD not winning Lombardis =/= costing team seasons that just does not compute.

that does not equal COSTING YOUR TEAM YEARS. Unless you think McD not winning Lombardi either is also costing our team years lmao. In which case, wtf are you even arguing then?

I HAVE JUST PROVED THAT THIS IS EMPHATICALLY NOT TRUE IN SITUATIONS LIKE OURS.

I'm not advocating for firing McD right now, or even at the end of the year, if this season is a disappointment. I think he has set a culture change in Buffalo from what we were, and I still think he's a good NFL coach. Maybe not the best, but he's good IMO. I am advocating for firing Dorsey pretty much any day now. And if the OC position was not filled adequately next year with a guy who can actually do the job, I would probably fire McD next season. But since you asked, I think pairing Josh with an offensive mind like Ben Johnson, who can set up a system around him, who can step in and fix the offense if an OC or two get hired away, would probably be our best vehicle for success. There is one glaring flaw to McD's expertise, and that is that he cannot help us on offense. When so many wins and losses in the NFL are basically because of your QB's arm, a coach with expertise in that area, to me, is far more valuable than a defensive coach, intrinsically. When the Chiefs get into a rut, Andy Reid can step in, make some suggestions to Nagy, and if things are still going bad, he can call the plays himself. And Patrick Mahomes, who has already seen a couple coordinators on offense leave, doesn't have to have much, if anything, change around him in regards to the offenses direction. Josh Allen is currently not in the same boat. If Ken Dorsey was this awesome electric OC, and was being talked about as an HC candidate (he's not, which is pretty much proof positive that he sucks because the offense statistically is still pretty good) and got hired away, there's a chance, a large chance, we would have another year or two of growing pains and new systems, new philosophies, etc. OR we would be promoting another QB coach or someone else who had little experience without a HC who could help them out who had proven years of NFL success in the OC role. No one is Nostradamus. If you are in the business of "we can't fire a coach because we don't know with 100% accuracy at the time of the decision that it will work out," well then, you're never going to agree. Unfortunately, in reality, NFL owners and front offices have to deal with the uncertainty every single day about every single decision.

Not winning championships is just the same as not winning championships. If we fired McD and hired a coach that got us to the Superbowl, would it have been the right move? Yes. If we fired McD and hired a coach that got us to a divisional round exit, would it have been a bad move? No. Marty S was an example of a team GETTING BETTER BECAUSE THEY FIRED HIM LOL. They were paper tigers that couldn't win more than a playoff game. Norv took them the conference championship, with basically the same roster, one year later!

We also haven't won championships. So at worst, I've proved that its common to be basically a wash. But with several notable examples of it getting teams over the hump. It's not more common for teams with franchise QB's to be worse after firing their coach. In fact, it's probably the rarest of all of the outcomes. So the argument " its more likely we could be worse off without McD" is just wrong.

Like I said, what examples do you have of teams firing their HC when they have a franchise QB, and them getting demonstrably worse? You said it's more common. I don't think you're right. Show your work.

Don't worry, @eball said this last year! I don't know why folks were questioning the offensive coaching last year! We were so good! No way we get blown out at home in the playoffs! It's the fans' fault!

Sometimes people get all "lolchiefs" until they play in their home stadium in the AFCCG for the 100th year in a row. Figured you should just get that out of your system now.

Um, how do you figure? Like what examples of teams with franchise QB's fired their HC and failed to find someone better or at least the same? Packers fired McCarthy after 2 down years with Rodgers and hired LaFleur. They went 13-3 3 years straight. Rodgers won 2 MVPs. They didn't win a Superbowl either, but it certainly wasn't worse than McCarthy. The Denver example with John Fox and Kubiak is apt, as previously discussed. Tony Dungy retired from the Colts in 2008. They hired Caldwell and went back to the SB that next year (losing it) and went 14-2. Marty was Phil Rivers' coach in San Diego, they went 14-2 but couldn't get past the divisional round. They fired him and hired Norv and were in the conference championship the next year. Norv eventually puttered out to being a .500 coach, they hired McCoy who also puttered out as a .500 coach. Eli had Coughlin, who was eventually fired for 3 straight losing seasons, and Bob McAdoo took them to 11-5 (he was a bum eventually though) So I mean, really, how do you think its more common? On bad teams, sure. On teams with franchise QB's who all but guarantee you close to winning record on their own? Nah.

I think its more the bolded. Folks will say Kaiir Elam was a disconnect, but I think he's just a bust. I think the defensive engine and FA/draft have been mostly aligned. But I swear, they make moves that make me wonder if Dorsey is even involved in decisions on offense. Hines is one of them. Kincaid is another. Its like Dorsey just kinda finds out these guys are on the roster last.

Yet another dose of verbal diarrhea from @eball. You know, this topic about perspective would be a little bit more profound if you didn't make it every. single. year. You like to be a Bills fan by being a cheerleader. Cool. Happy for you. You have optimism and hope because you see the sun come up the next day. Some people like to be fans in different ways. Some of them watch the All-22 and really try to break it down. Some people know more about X's and O's than you. Some people pretend they do. To me, personally, I thought the success of this season was predicated on an offense that would be improved from all the silly "rookie OC" or poor talent-related mistakes and hiccups from last year. To my eye, it may honestly be worse. Things may change. It's a long season. But I was hoping the Bills offense would look better than last year, and so far they haven't and so far, there goes my hope we are gonna win a Superbowl. But again, cool you prefer cheerleading instead.

They are 5-1.

Lazard is a Jet.

Better than cinder block Sherfield.

Every run doesn’t get 10. I’m aware sometimes these are checks, and even a run for minimal positive yardage doesn’t necessitate a bad call.

Because despite being unable to get over the hump, imo McD isn’t completely out of good will.

Dorsey fired this year, McD fired next year.

I could be wrong, but we know Beane’s idea of “moving the needle” last year was signing retired Cole Beasley lol

ok