Mikie2times

For those that want to know it, this is 2014-2016 for Carolina, then 2017 to current with Buffalo. What WR's Beane has drafted. I'm sure some will say he didn't have as much involvement in 2017 and he wasn't technically the assistant GM in Carolina until 2015. So if you want to exclude those years, Benjamin and Jones would be removed and the list would start with Coleman. I think it's more than a fair question at this point to wonder if we can draft and develop players at WR which seems to be our formula everywhere else.

It would be easier to conclude they don't value the role then they didn't value any players that can fit the role this year. We have not drafted a vertical threat since Beane and McD got here. I think that was more a result of a horrible playoff system known as the Tampa 2, which we also have the pleasure of running. Joy.

What happens when you run the ball effectively? Does the defense come up? How do you prevent the defense from coming up?

I think people are mad we didn't use any picks toward a downfield WR. We could have drafted either Dont'e Thornton with a small move up or Tory Horton while still accomplishing what needed to be done on the defensive side. We don't have any downfield WR's. It's a need and we just keep passing on it.

I don't disagree that his views have serious shortcomings. I'm just trying to be clear, that he doesn't view this as a problem like others do. Which yes, is a problem.

We haven’t played in a Super Bowl. Let’s not act like after how many years struggling to overcome the divisional round or AFC championship game, we make the Super Bowl and go one for one. We have a lot longer to go than most people call out here.

Beane has been pretty clear for awhile now. You CAN believe him. He sees our offense as one of the best in the NFL, which it is, which it has been for years, and as a result he doesn’t have a burning desire to upgrade it. It won’t change while he’s here. So people who say we subsidize the rest of the team off Allen’s talent, well, he’s basically telling us that is what we do. The offense will be good with Josh and Josh alone. So he might get a weapon here or there but Beane is going to upgrade positions he or Sean see as a clear weakness to the production of that side of the ball. WR just isn’t going to be a focus when that is how you’re building.

So if we don’t fall in line screaming the draft was “excellent and consequential” we are haters. If anybody is critical, we are haters. We should just give our front office eternal benefit of the doubt indefinitely or we are haters. We have an MVP QB, playing in a Super Bowl is table steaks at this point as far as determining how successful our front office is. We have yet to play in a Super Bowl yet.

Beane has said it before, as have many here, the offense is really good. I wish the highest mind in our org looked at that in the context of our QB generating about 80% of our downfield plays with his scrambling heroics but hey, we are just dumb fans. #beane for life.

The Tampa style defense feasts when you put teams in passing situations. When you don’t it gets crushed. I personally hate the scheme, hate it even more as teams started deliberately attacking the run last year to circumvent it. It’s not a playoff defense. It’s a scrub beater system. It is a huge mistake by our fanbase to assume our schemes are the best fit for the current and future (next 4 years) NFL.

In about 3-4 years I will be Ron Jeremy in the sac. I’m a developmental prospect.

I used to push that a lot and while I don’t love his scheme and would much rather challenge every yard and give up some big plays than bend but don’t break, he will always be + against turnovers and that’s a big deal. What he’s done historically in generating turnovers defies the randomness logic. The only other time I have seen that profile was with the pre inflategate Patriots. It matters a lot. But still just a skeptical dude as it relates to Beane and McD’s ability to close and get the Lombardi.

We played out of our minds with the benefit of 3 turnovers the last Baltimore game. It was the best first half I have seen from our defense, ever (within context) and yes, we are among the very best at generating turnovers and that is all McD. I don’t exactly chalk up the hurricane game vs Greg Roman the same way. Our offense couldn’t do anything in that weather either. Either way my stats included both and still among the very worst teams who went that far. Because in between these outcomes you’re calling out were so many horrendous ones. I know, injuries. I don’t really care anymore. Get it done. Win the f’n game. Arguing the nuisances of it all on here feels like talking politics at this point.

We rank 16 out of 18 teams who have played at least one game in the divisional round since 2020 in EPA playoff defense. This who hum, gee golly, just need a bounce our way is about the most laughable take I have read here (not just shared by you). We haven’t produced a marginal speed bump to opposing offenses when it matters most. Across a fairly large sample of games. Call it talent, call it scheme, don’t really care what you call it, but please don’t suggest we need a ball to “bounce” a little different for our dreams to come true.

Alright, I will stop being a little B, that’s what I needed to see this regime focus on

Except we have only lost one game by 7 or more points in that entire sample. It’s not like teams are just running to run out the clock. They’re running to keep the ball away from our offense and to control the game. This isn’t a result of correlation at all. It’s how teams attack us and have been doing so for years. It just doesn’t matter that much when we have a 20 point lead.

Last three years stack ranked by rushing yards allowed. Includes playoffs.

I don’t even evaluate this team in the regular season at this point. They’re always playing ahead. Teams are always one dimensional. Just because they sucked at 3rd and long, which they have for years at this point, doesn’t mean they aren’t extremely vulnerable to some of the best teams in the NFL which are focusing more on power run games. To not focus even one offseason addition on that as a primary skill set is neglect at a level only our lack of focus at WR is capable of beating. All that said, I need to stop derailing this thread. As I called out, none of this is on Sanders. Who could end up being a really good player. It’s about how we build the team.

Joe should look at how much it matters to put teams in consistent passing downs. You can do that when you have the best run defense in the NFL. We depend on our offense to force other offenses into abandoning the run. Past the divisional round that won’t happen.

Yup. People are right, largely last season the run wasn’t an issue. Until we faced Baltimore AGAIN. Then it was like how can we possibly stop the run? Everybody on this board was freaked out (rightfully so, they dropped 200+ on us the last time). They did it again after, we did literally the best possible job we could in the first half. We forced multiple fumbles. Got a key drop at the end. Won the game we would have lost if they put 5 more minutes on the clock. Now the Beane fan club is like, meh. Don’t need run defense. Doesn’t matter. We are good there. 😂 it’s just classic fan boy crap you see on here. Not even worth arguing with them.

Who are the clear 2 down nose guys Beane has pursued lately? Linval Joseph was the last I believe? We just don’t care about the role. What I landed on

So far I have heard, that’s what the Eagles did. We didn’t lose because of our run defense. Our run defense is good. People are over reacting. This kid could be really good, and if so ultimately a really good player matters more than anything else. But most of the above call outs are just off the mark. Eagles were #1 in DVOA run defense, and it was a legitimate number #1. They defended every blade of grass. They put teams in consistent passing situations. Which is what happens when you stuff the run. Which really allows your DL to go off. Putting teams in clear passing situations is what we excel at in the regular season when we play cup cakes and build leads and oh my gosh, the pass rush looks so much better! What a mystery when it disappears in the playoffs 🤷‍♂️ Buffalo will concede the rush, depend on timely run blitzes, sell out to generate a TFL. Lots of times that works out, but when it doesn’t it can get ugly. Look at how the Colts attacked us when they routed us by nearly 40 at home, Baltimore taking us apart (and it requiring literally a perfect effort to beat them in our house the second time). Baltimore is not going away. Nor is it likely the Eagles will be either (if we can make it that far). Physical teams that can run the ball have been this teams Achilles heal from day one of the McD regime. It doesn’t tend matter as much in the regular season but past the wild card round it will become a vulnerability. We rank 15 out of 18 teams in run defending success rate and EPA run defense in the divisional round or later since 2020. Certainly the deeper you go, being a great run defending team is basically table steaks. It sets up the DL to eat in the passing game and travels. We don’t prioritize run defense in this system and despite the NFL clearly trending more in that direction it doesn’t feel like we will be changing with it. This isn’t about TJ Sanders as much as it is about the Bills and the system they have. Most people who are angry at the pick are just angry at that part of it. Sanders could end up being a really good player and ultimately if that happens it won’t really matter.

10 minute time of advantage, wearing down, and just getting beat up by 3 back up offensive lineman. But happy says no, got it 😂

We got outrushed 172 to 64 vs the Bengals. We lost to the Chiefs because they have a strong interior defense and stuffed us multiple time. We were another 5 minutes from losing to Baltimore at home. After about what, 420+ yards in two games? How do you think Barkley and the Eagles would have worked out in the Super Bowl? Our run defense is smoke and mirrors. You can debate if the player is or isn’t right, but to argue this run defense isn’t a serious problem just minimizes your position.

And when Baltimore curb stomps our 300 pounders? When Philly does? You forget, this is becoming a running league. Jones will only get worse, we depend on run blitzing and leads to defend the rush. At the end of the day nobody knows. But to me it’s the same philosophy that has lead us to our playoff collapses. What works in the regular season won’t work in the playoffs. As we have shown time and time again. That’s involves run defense. 130+ rushing yards in the 4 of 5 playoff losses.