MasterStrategist

I wouldn't go as far to say he "has truly sucked so far". I would say he has not lived up to his draft status. As you said, this year will be the true test. He has so much potential still, it would really help this team if he could get take a huge step in 2025/and get huge (more bulked) while at it. Knox is a solid TE who has always struggled with injury issues dating back to Ole Miss. We just don't have the talent outside at WR to effectively run a 21 personell to our advantage. Going to end up wasting a solid TE combo because of that. Instead we roll with Alec Anderson, because he gives us a mismatch in run game/ability to playaction.

Fair that you have your opinion. But I don't like any of the guys you listed, any more than Dane. I could go 1 by 1, just for example...Fuller clearly lost a step this past year, coming into age 30 season coming off 2 concussions and 0 INTs. His man to man ability is diminishing. 3 years ago yes, better player than Dane. Cut for a small 2.7m cap savings. Now, these guys are evening out in my book. Shaq same, etc Again, it's going to come down to who Beane drafts, and perhaps he drafts 2. Or Ingram takes another step forward to compete with Dane. Way too early to get upset about depth signings, when the draft hasn't even occurred.

We clearly disagree on the player evaluations. You'd clearly feel OK, if any of the names you listed are CB3. That's fine. Bigger point isn't CB3, it's hitting on CB2. Dane or Fuller or Shaq, none of those guys are Cb2 material....would you agree?

Making things up...im repeating and responding exactly what you wrote. Again, "tainted". Somehow you can't explain your viewpoint except to say players will have to answer for it. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're too deep into this, and just finding ways to end it.

I don't get it, and you are WAY over blowing this. If teammates have to hear/answer questions on it, it's because the Buffalo media has nothing better to talk about. Also easy for any player to say, yeah he's messed up, he also owned up to it. Or just say nothing. Beane already said his peace today. If people want to continue pushing it, so be it. Again who cares? It's somehow embarrassing to have to answer a question? NFL isn't going to treat us any different either, I can't tell if you're somehow alluding to us getting more scrutinized drug testing. There's a CBA in place for a reason. And yeah, if you don't want to talk about these signings that make you feel embarrassed, that's up to you. But again, feel embarrassed. Tainting the franchise is a giant leap, from feeling embarrassed/opinions on these signings. Sounds like a click bait article.... "Bills sign 2 players, draw embarrassment from across the NFL, taint franchise and cause concerns with how players will have to answer for these signings". Sounds like you took some drama classes back in the day/and some extremist journalism.

I'm saying, Dane Jackson vs a washed up Kendall Fuller, a limited Shaq Griffin, etc doesn't make any difference to me. These guys are CB3 material. If you want to find something to get frustrated about, wait until we actually draft a CB2 and see what he can do. I already told you my "preferred" approach would have been to go sign a legit CB2. Clearly, for many possible reasons, that didn't happen. Now we have to rely on Beane hitting on an early CB prospect. Signing Dane Jackson isn't the reason to be upset though. You're how already dooming this situation to a failed draft pick upcoming. Based on past picks, maybe? Elam, yes. Bishop, way too early but he clearly wasn't ready LY. Now Beane has to absolutely hit on a starter. That's why I'm going to guess it's a round 1 selection. But again, and I'll say this for the 3rd time because it didn't sink in last time I told you this....signing Dane or your list makes a lick of difference. We don't want to be counting on any of them to be our starter out of camp. But I am extremely comfortable with Dane as our 3rd. He wasn't good, he wasn't bad, that easy enough for you to understand why I'm calling him average? He wasn't a liability for us, he had plus traits but just doesn't have the speed to be a man to man type. And I could careless about Carolina. We know first hand how he's played in our system, and a cheap option to be depth. For all we know this could be another year of double dipping on CBs, and Dane might not make the team.

"This has been an embarrassing week" "Nothing like tainting the franchise image, by signing 2 dopes" Those are putting your exact words out there man. I don't get how this is a franchise tainting moment, please explain that further then. Then also explain why it's been an embarrassing week.

Those players all have concerns as well, better than Dane, perhaps recently. Dane has been exactly average IMO. And yes, we need to count on a 1st or 2nd rounder to start at CB. I'd have preferred we grabbed a legit CB2 in FA, but at this point, the marginal difference between Dane and your list above isn't SB caliber. We need our high draft pick to perform, none of these other options change that fact. And that's my point about why get bent about Dane?! If we have to count on any of these Cb3 types, it will be a long season.

Yes, it's such a devastating day in franchise history....it's very tainted now. Good grief

Not good enough as CB3....who did you want to sign instead? We could take the list you're about to say and find faults in their game too. Maybe better than Dane, but again, we're looking to the draft for CB2 at this point....so what are you complaining about? That we don't have e a sufficient CB3? You want a CB3 with upside/potential. Who was that?

Don't proeject your negative Yanks vibes, and let them manifest here. Not embarrassing when Beane already knew about 1 and, just due to timing, found out about the other while the deal for Larry was about to be signed. Tainted the franchise? Wow, this is when people need to get a grip. I'm not condoning PEDs/steroids etc, but players take "supplements". Sometimes the difference between being "caught" with hormones, is like scoring an 89 vs a 90 on a test. This isn't Barry Bonds juicing. Not saying both players are shameless either, both owning up to it. Tainting a franchise is signing a known criminal- plenty of examples to be tossed around there, but this isn't that. Gerrit Cole will be back next yr, until then keep the Yank anxiety on their message board.

Posters still missing the point that we get to "recoup" salary cap. Might not be a big deal on Hoecht. But for Larry, who everyone seems to be jumping down Beanes back about. 1 year deals are actually perfect to get this situation to apply to. 1. We essentially just pay/count against cap, the remaining 11 games. 2. Larry's savings alone, likely counts for very close to savings generated from cutting Daquon. So if we needed the $$$, and Daquon was on the chopping block, we get to hold onto him now. 3. Only way the math doesn't work out this "clean", is dependent on void years that were added to Larry's deal (impacting a pro rated signing bonus) As long as we stay out of injury issues thru week 6, this is essentially the same as signing Larry at week 7 from a cap perspective. Plan all along was to get better at DL and secondary, via draft. Plan is still the plan. We likely hold onto Daquon now, because of this, and someone like Solomon or Kingsley or Logue makes the initial 53.

You said Dane would be "inserted into the starting lineup". Now slightly back pedaling. And I expect you to be in full back pedal mode after the draft. Hence why the other poster told you to relax. Of course Dane is being brought in to compete. Isn't that what all players do? Difference between that and what the expectation is. Which the expectation is for Dane to fill the CB3/4 role, which he is more than capable of.

What what?! Do you already know who we draft and the type of rookie season, said player will have? We no longer have Elam or Rasul. Dane replaces Elam, which to me is equal if not better. Now we have to find our CB2 via the draft, and at least be "an average" starter. Let's not act like Rasul was playing like his end of 2023 season. Dude lost a step and won't be difficult to replace, unless Beane drafts another Elam.

I'm posting just to clarify how suspensions impact the salary cap. Since you posted this and received alot of likes/agrees...just want ppl to understand full dynamic at play. Perhaps someone already posted on this, i haven't read all 19-20 pages. Cap implications: 1. Base salary: whatever Hoecht and Ojis salaries are, divide by 17 and multiply by 6. That amount is forfeited by the player (weekly gamechecks) and Bills re coup in cap space 2. Signing Bonus/Performance Bonus: Im not sure, but think "likely to hit" performance bonuses can be adjusted based on suspensions. But more importantly, signing bonus prorated amount for 2025 will have same "math" applied as bullet #1 (players will pay back this portion and team counts as a credit toward cap). So we will get a salary cap windfall from this. If we have the contract details, we can do the calculation. My guess is Larry's will be the biggest savings, perhaps close to $2m (will depend on void years). Hoechts will largely depend on how much is put into salary/Bonus for 2025. Also, any guarantees could go out the door...might make cutting Larry easier, depending on how contract is structured (although not sure we approach like that). Main point, it doesn't make those numbers "shocking", we essentially get to reduce a Sizeable portion of 2025 cap by >33%

We will REALLY miss you at the new stadium

It's a good point, but honestly how many of these moves occur across the NFL each year? I'm assuming that figure is 5 or less but it would be interesting to determine. Bigger issue is hitting on the draft. Young/talented, everything but change of scenery from what you said. We'd be in a better position if we could stack 2-3 consecutive years of very good drafts.

How did Rico Dowdle enter the conversation? lol. You want to cherry pick stats to find a comparable.player is just lazy. How about Brock.Purdy threw for more yards than Josh Allen, on fewer attempts? Or that Justin Herbert had a better TD/INT ratio across more attempts? You want to argue those guys should be making Josh money? At some point, you take off the blinders/agenda and recognize the facts. Cook has significantly improved in so many ways as a player and continues to get better. If you want to argue his pass pro isn't good enough, sure that's a fight you'll win. But so many around Cook have helped praise. If you've seen him at training camp every year since his rookie season, in person consistently, you see a much more confident and complete back. Hes our best RB playmaker since McCoy and so many looking for ways to bring him down. Fluke season, can't play 3rd downs, etc.... Hes a huge reason our team had the success it did LY. I could go game by game down the schedule and find games where Josh needed someone else to "be the man" that game/pitch in and who esle was it but Cook...week 2 at Miami, Cook explodes on the scene when Josh was having a so so night. Point being, you say people are quick to forget his fumbling/lack of scoring TDs...I say you're quick to forget our Devin Singletary/Zach Moss seasons where we're stuck with true "Rico Dowdle", plodders. Cook and Josh's, the OL and offense in total, went hand in hand LY. Rico Dowdles of the world are cheap for a reason, let's not go comparing based on stats.

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Sorry missed that...pls excuse me as I leave lol

Wait what? lol....where did I mention trade

I'd be shocked to see us draft a back in the 4th-5th, IMO. I get keeping an eye toward the future, but how does that back make it's way onto the 53? I can't recall keeping 5 backs, classifying Gilliam as a back. But either way, we already go light ish at WR with just 5...trying to figure out the 53 math.

This is made up from you watching on TV? If Elam was some sort of elite CB, he'd be playing here still. McD and staff aren't coaching traits out of players. If Elam regressed, it's because he was unable to adapt to the NFL game. Somehow Benford developed into a very good corner, while Elam regressed. Yep, coaches picking favorites. Elam was a panic pick by Beane and staff. Happens, every GM hits a bust. But there was not a clear consensus on drafting Elam amongst the staff.

We gave up 11 point the entire 2nd half....I don't think coaching was the issue. And Elam was playing off coverage, bc he gets too grabby and slow recovery with his footwork. Elam became a headcase because he couldn't get away with tugging WRs anymore at the NFL level. And his instincts were never truly his calling card. Bills thought they could coach away the grabiness. Just a case of scouting not hitting on this pick.

Was not expecting this!!! Huge benefit just to dump that salary. Hope Elam does well there, but not expecting it. Now, we can grab a vet and a draft pick within our 53 man roster.