Ethan in Cleveland

So despite genetics making us all Bills fans, now AI is making sure of it!

LOL apparently Chandler and I have the same YouTube preferences. I saw this today. It is longest TD runs at Highmark, thus home games from 1973 until now. So many interesting things in the background. Jim Donovan called two of those runs. He was a great play by play guy. RIP. The 1973 Simpson run recap was Pat Summerall. Bills started 4-1 and then he goes on to state they play Miami in the Orange Bowl to see if they are "for real". And of course they were not. They would go on to lose to Miami and finish in second place and out of the playoffs. Incredibly the Bills offense broke the record for most rushing yards in one season and of course OJ would go for 2003. But the passing offense produced only two 100 yard games all year. The next game he mentions, Bills only rushed for 75 yards and had net 1 yard passing. Absolutely mind blowing stats. Ferguson went 3 of 9 for 25 yards and gave up 20 yards on 3 sacks. Shaw also went 3 of 9 for 35 yards and gave up 6 sacks for 39 yards.

Lol.. instead of the same old comments, let's spin this thread into a social commentary on the decreasing math skills in the US!!!

Agreed! Thankfully we will never know. Maybe 30 years from now when Im dead they will do a retrospective show on Allen's multiple SuperBowl wins and Beane will say who he would have drafted if Allen was not on the board.

They had some good players on offense too - Rueben Brown, Lee Evans, TO, Stevie Johnson jsut to name a few. Don't forget Spikes, Winfield, and Sam Adams jsut to add a few more names on defense. Don't make it too hard. They didn't have a QB and now we do. It's really just that simple. It's is almost impossible to win without an elite QB. A few teams have done it like the Ravens and Bears but they had arguably two of the top 3 defenses of all time. It is to the point it's really not a team game. It is really 1 + 52, and without the 1 there is almost no hope.

This is so true. He had size, speed, and power, but he literally had no idea where to run. I also swear he had exercise induced asthma or some cardiac issues as well. Never saw a NFL RB breathing so heavily after a 10 yard run.

With all due respect OP, I think you are grossly underestimating the effect Allen has had on this franchise. If Cleveland or the Jets take Allen, then McD and Beane are out of a job several years ago. They did everything to position themselves to get a QB and with Darnold or the wrong Josh both of these fine men would have been given the boot a long time ago.

Yeah I caught that yesterday too. Seems like a little frustration with Bishop and maybe Bass too

More joint practice fights with the Falcons starting QB thrown to the ground.

#79 is going to be All-Pro this year if he stays healthy The only reason he might not 16 TDs is if they keep giving Allen easy rushing scores in the red zone.

Great day! Love Cook! $30M guaranteed is what probably got the deal done. The per year stuff is just funny money. I really like the RB group. If Davis can progress just a little they have three guys that can all play. Would love to see Cook around 50 receptions this year but I dont think it will happen. And that's becuase I think Kincaid is going to explode this year.

Also wonder, if the Lions offense takes a step back? I still think Goff is an average QB who has a ton of weapons to mask his average arm talent and lack of mobility.

LOL...I think you could actually get near 100% consensus on that! Even on this board. Problem is Beane can't get the DL right. His draft picks and FA signings have been - to not sound sound too negative - underwhelming. He's wasted more money on DL than just about any GM in the league. Let's hope Bosa and some of the kids pan out. Cook is a great player. Pay him. Keep scoring. Hope Kincaid, Coleman, and Palmer play well.

Let's see... He's 5th in YPC ahead of Robinson and Taylor. So I guess that is an argument. Gibbs had 43 more carries than Cook. Every other player you listed above Cook had 100 more carries than Cook did. Cook did more with less opportunity. He only had one fumble (none lost). That's tied with Robinson and better than every other RB you have listed ahead of him. Cook had more yards receiving than Henry and just about the same as Barkley. All that said your rankings are quite good for the top 5. Let's spin it another way, how much money do you think Robinson, Gibbs, are going to get paid? When their deals are done, my guess is they will be above Henry and Barkley. Jacobs just got 4 yrs for $48M after only rushing for 800 yards and less then 4 YPC the year before. Cook may not be worth $15M per year, but he is worth $13-14M for this team and this SuperBowl window.

Exactly! People calling him a distraction are completely misunderstanding of how the players really feel. This is not a distraction at all. They all want to get paid max value.

Hard to imagine having a better situation for your QB than having an elite RB that can score from anywhere on the field with a top 5 OL. Cook is a great player. Spend money on great players not below average or rarely used players like Epenesa, Samuel, and Gilliam. Cook is far better than the 8th best RB and Davis and Johnson are probably not in the top 25. I will concede that we don't know if Davis will get better and so far he looks like a faster version of Moss. So that is good. But the talent difference between Cook and the backups is significant.

100% agree. Makes you question the entire process. How a group of people could not vote him in the first time is insane. If not for Andy Reid and McNabb figuratively and literally puking away the SuperBowl he would have won MVP with one of the great SuperBowl performances of all time.

There are so few and I really dont think any are truly as good as Allen, but my list includes Fouts, Moon, Kosar, Rivers, and maybe Cunningham. Of course Lamar is on the list too.

Thank you for sharing. Wonder when Josh becomes famous enough that he can do the commercials without the shoulder pads and jersey. Better yet, how about SNL appearance co-hosting with his wife!!

Ok you have good points. No dispute about what happened in the draft and the possibe reasons he fell. Again I don't know the guy but being in Cleveland all the reports are is that he is doing everything asked of him. All his press conferences are professional and his interaction with the media has been basically flawless. Not complaining about his reps or the depth chart. Of course it could all be a well polished act. And yes I do dislike many athletes. I hate PED cheats and I am fully aware that steroids are used by way more guys than the ones that get caught. So I am a bit foolish sounding there. But I couldn't stand PED Murphy and hope both the current cheats are cut. I hate any player with domestic violence history. If Allen was accused of what Watson did I would stop watching the Bills until he was gone. I don't really mind diva WRs to be honest. And I really do believe there is a racial bias against black WRs who "can't control themselves" and "passionate and fiery" white QBs. Let me ask you and please be honest. What did you think of Jim Kelly? Now be honest. You said you dont like cocky arrogant self centered guys. So let's hear it, what did you think of Kelly? Was he not all those ?

No. Wasn't Walker on his initial 45? If not then my error. Yes he makes the final 53 easy.

I chose Palmer because this was Beane's big FA move for the offense. He paid a decent amount of money for a guy with potential and next gen stats but hasn't produced yet. He chose him over trying to acquire more proven talent. I picked him because if he and the offense struggle there will be lots on consternation in Bills land. For the record I liked the move and the Moore signing. Both guys may just need opportunities to succeed. All that said too, it is going to be everybody eats 2.0 almost assuredly. There is not a dominant player but there are several very good options in the pass game between the WR, TE, and RBs. In a perfect scenario the targets Hollins got last year moslty go to a dominant Kincaid. Give Josh an all world TE and he will be MVP again. What is that saying, you can't whip a dead horse? You can only complain so much before its just background noise. Much like me complaining about carrying a FB on a team that runs the QB in almost all short yardage situations.

Palmer White Honorable mentions for Bosa, Coleman, and Bishop

He is as close to a unicorn as there ever has been. Thise that come close are Elway Newton Roethlisberger (younger version) Young Favre never ran like Josh can. Staubach and Tarkenton never threw it like Josh.

Appear yes. Fouts is probably best ever to not appear other than Josh. Win I think Marino is most definitely in that conversation for best ever to not win.