Phil The Thrill

Please find me some proof that Gilmore was a McDermott call. Why wasn’t Gilmore resigned sometime during the 2016 season? I agreed with letting him go, but the same people who are condemning the Bills for this choice are the same saying how great Whaley was. Here’s where I slightly agree with you. I do think he walked into a situation of dysfunction in Buffalo. This was started by Ralph Wilson and continued through Russ Brandon. Yet when McDermott was here he put his foot down and ushered in some changes. Why didn’t Doug do this? Where was Doug’s “process?” I just don’t think he had the acumen or the ability to be a good GM. He just was not a good leader and he had no clue how to build an NFL long term. That’s a fact.

Thank you. It’s as simple as that. Of course, the Whaley apologists will say Buddy made the pick, despite the fact Whaley said he was involved in the selection and seemed to verify it by drafting Sammy. First off your information is untrue. He did not interview for Green Bay. He was rumored to interview for Cleveland but many have said that he was never seriously in the running. Sorry to me a “sniff” means that he was given serious consideration. I think it says a lot about a former GM who is still unemployed after 3 years. The ones seems to find work immediately. The Bills cap situation was far from great and this has been proven...again. He gave out contracts to players like Dareus and Clay which resulted in a ton of cap space and hurting the team down the line. Whaley was also the one who made the decision to let Gilmore walk, partly because the cap space wasn’t there. Oh and most teams with cap issues have to pay $30M for a QB. Buffalo never had that. He was a bad GM. I feel that his reputation is warranted and it straight up boggles my mind to see so many Whaley defenders here. I am dumbfounded. The team was a laughing stock under Whaley - so glad it’s better now.

LOL I said he hasn’t gotten another NFL job and your response is.... “well he did get an interview” ?????? What things were said about Whaley that was untrue: His draft record was spotty? He never found a QB? He led the team into cap hell? He hasn’t been hired since he was fired 3 years ago? His teams never made it to the playoffs? Brandon Beane has been a much more successful GM? These are all facts - what is there to defend? How are any of these inaccurate? The blind BLIND love and loyalty some have for Whaley is just pure shocking to me. He was a below average GM...yet fans are cool with that? #droppingknowledge

“I’m not a Whaley fan but at the same time he was best by default?” What picks did Whaley hit on? He was a terrible terrible GM. Maybe a notch below Buddy Nix. Oh wait you just mean: EJ Manuel? Sammy Watkins? Ronald Darby? Shaq Lawson? Out of those 4 Darby probably had the best career and that isn’t great.

Why I am not surprised your a Whaley apologist? Here goes... If Whaley is “not close to as bad he is made out to be,” then why hasn’t he gotten a sniff at front office position in the NFL? Why did he take several lesser positions with the Senior Bowl and the XFL? Also EJ sucked. The greatest QB guru in the world probably couldn’t have gotten more out of him. He was wasn’t a starting QB, so giving Whaley a break for a very poor selection is laughable. Also says a lot. The worst thing you CAN condemn Whaley for is having no freaking clue how to building a team. He has no big QB on his roster yet... the Bills were in cap HELL. It takes some bad decision making and bad contracts to get in that situation. But he did it!!! Oh yeah the 2014 Bills team would surely beat any of the 2 playoffs teams. You know, they were so good that they couldn’t beat a 2-12 Oakland Raiders team with Inaccurate Derek Carr at QB. But yeah.... they’d beat the Bills playoff teams easily. Sure. Doesn’t surprise me that you defend Whaley based on your user name.

I will flame them for this particular decision. Kirb-dawg did a good job explaining why it was not just a terrible pick but an even worse job with selecting personnel.

It’s just you. There are a lot of apologists here. It’s a common word in the English language

All time panic pick = Sammy Watkins Whaley panicked big time to impress Terrance and to prove that his QB EJ was a great draft pick

you have to be kidding me. Navarro is a clown. Not intense. Not scary. I only wish they casted the guy who played the hitman as Navarro. The dude with the curly hair a good. He can’t be intense. Just not good acting/casting

Season 4 was great. Excellent writing and a lot of good acting performances. Bateman and Linney are particularly awesome. But man the actor that plays Navarro is not good. I watch shows like Narcos or Better Saul where they Cartel heads are scary. This guy looks like a goof. Not intense. Not scary. Worst part of the show IMO

Why don’t you use your real name? Melancer? Would sound more professional with your name...or atleast a pen name

What’s your opinion of how the Bills needed a QB in 2013 and REACHED to draft EJ - a QB many considered the be a 3rd round prospect and is out of the NFL? Oh and he signed Kelvin Kolb. Ugh. This pick showed me how poor of a job Buddy did managing the most important position in the NFL - QB. Bad GM

Yeah but what makes a player a “bust”’is where you took him in the draft. If you drafted a player in the Top 10 and his career turned out like Spiller’s did, I think you have a right to expect more than a 3rd round pick. This discussion point doesn’t add much to the conversation He gets a pass because he drove OJ in the Ford Bronco (great car) Every Bills GM Post Donahoe was hot HOT garbage including the Bills HOF coach, the guy with the cool Southern accent, and the GM that put the team in cap and couldn’t find a QB that a small portion of the fanbase loves. All bad

The better question is - who was the WORSR Bills GM? So many to choose from: - Tommy Donahoe - Marv Levy - Russ Brandon - Buddy Nix - Douglas Whaley From that sorry group, I organize it like this: 1 Donahoe 2 Whaley (bad GM) 3 Nix (bad GM) 4 Russ Brandon (terrible GM) 5 Marv (sorry he’s the worst)

That’s partly true. Pegula didn’t say this after the 2013 season. But he was a new owner and many believe Doug traded up to impress management and because he wanted to prove that his former selection was a good QB. Either way a lot of ego was involved. He did it to himself. The rumored edict didn’t come until the start of the 2016, three seasons later. But those players that he found to fit a coaches systems were really not that good. His biggest hit might be Shaq Lawson. Not great shakes

You are higher than on Whaley than I am. I believe he’s a below average GM and I think he was alway in over his head. He wasn’t organized. Wasn’t professional. And most importantly, not successful. Not a GM, Director of Pro Personnel yes. That’s where he excelled and where most of his “hits”’are. But that is is ceiling IMO. His record in the draft was spotty and average at best. Doug’s biggest mistake was his ego. He doubled down on EJ since he was highly involved in drafting him (#FACT) and tried to make a big swing at Sammy to impress the new owners. This move was reckless The biggest indictment of Whaley is he had no clue how to BUILD a team. No vision. Every move he made was to go broke to win Super Bowl that season, ignoring the fact that his team was not even close and had no answer at QB. There was never a plan. It was always go for broke and that led the team straight into cap hell without a QB contract. That’s damn impressive. Also Whaley embarrassed the franchise and made the team into a laughing stock. I will say - the dysfunction behind-the-scenes at One Bills Drive with Terry having no clue and Russ being Russ did not help at all. But Doug “dug” his own grave. He’s not a GM as evidenced by the fact that no team will give him another shot as GM. It’s been 3 years and he’s exiled. I can’t understand the love some Bills fans have for a GM that failed to lead the team a record below .500. The best move Terry ever made was firing Doug and bribing in McDermott and Beane. I just wish it happened in January 2017.

that’s what Whaley apologists want to believe

Imagine if a member of TBD won this content!?!!!?!!

Ok but how does that disprove my point, that Norwood was not good enough given the facts that: A. he was not reliable at FG’s over 40 yds B. he was not a good at kicking on grass C. he rarely was put in a position to make game winning FG’s because the offense scored so many points.

Who said anything about thrilling?

Good info...except Lamar Jackson is off the board. He was drafted in 2018 by Baltimore

you aren’t wrong. There were a lot of weak efforts and arm tackles that Gilmore missed last year

I think they will draft a WR but it might not be until round 3 or 4. To be honest, I have seen different evaluations of the WR in this draft. The consensus seems to be that Juedy, Lamb, and Rugg have they potential to be great WR’s. The rest have had mixed reviews from draft analysts. Many gave them the “good...not great” label, and based on the trade for Diggs, it seems the Bills did as well.

Oh they did! Were you not here in 2016? There is an element of this in the fan base for sure. BUT... there’s also some MAJOR hindsight as well. So...nether argument is really perfect. I guess that what makes sports fun

@C.Biscuit97 Is the only one that such such greatness. He knows all You can make just as convincing of an argument that the game was won by Patrick Mahomes and not individual receivers. If Sammy wasn’t on the field I still feel he would have found a way