CincyBillsFan

Judas Priest now the criteria is SOLE REASON? I don't have time to play games. There are plenty of posters who call out Allen as a problem keeping the Bills from advancing further then they have. None of them are saying he's the sole reason but time after time they claim or insinuate that Allen's play is limiting the Bills. And every time I see this I call out BS, because that is exactly what it is. If you're truly happy Allen is the Bills QB then why do you insist he has to improve for us to reach the next level? On any rational list of what the Bills must do to get over the hump Allen playing better is #99. And please enough with the "everyone can improve" shtick. It's true but completely irrelevant to Allen and the Bills. IMO even if Allen improves as much as he can it won't matter to the Bills getting over the hump if they don't significantly improve other areas of the team. In other words we homers believe that Allen has played more then well enough to win multiple Super Bowls if other parts of the Bills team & coaches improved their game. That's where the focus and discussion needs to be.

Actually quite a few posters over the last couple of months have been saying exactly that. And then when some of us get pissed off and call them out for it you and others accuse us of "hero worship". And for the record no one is saying Allen can't get better, we agree that everyone can improve. What we are saying is that Allen is near peak performance as a QB and he is the LAST THING preventing the Bills from taking the next step and winning a Super Bowl.

Not hard to hear at all. In fact this is very enlightening and tells Bills fans exactly what needs to get better to beat Mahome & the Chiefs in the playoffs - and it ain't Allen. Here's the counter thought to this - in the head to head match ups Allen has played as well as Mahomes in 2 of the 3 games. Factors other then Allen is why the Bills lost both games.

Sorry but yours is not a serious post. If we're going to play the "what if" game how about the 3 dropped long passes, and yes in the NFL I've seen all those catches repeatedly made during the season, that cost us at minimum 10 and probably 17 points. And if you're going to go on about Poyer's fumble keeping the game close, how about the terrible coverage and missed tackles that handed KC 14 of their points? As for the 4th quarter, the Bills would not have been shutout if Diggs catches that TD pass or Bass makes that 44 yard field goal. IMO in all 3 playoff losses to the Chiefs Allen was the least responsible of any Bills player for those losses. Tell me who you think played better then Allen in any of those 3 games? And in any of those games did the Bills coaches outperform the Chiefs coaches?

And you can throw Reid & his coaches in there to. BTW check out Allen's stats after the last 2 playoff games against the Chiefs: 515 passing yards with 5 TD's & 0 INTS; 140 rushing yards on 23 carries with 2 TD's & no lost fumbles. That's 655 total yards with 7 total TD's and 0 turnovers. If you throw in the 2020 AFC companionship game against KC Allen has in his 3 playoff games against Mahomes: 1030 total yards with 9 total TD's and only 1 turnover. Anyone claiming Allen is the reason why the Bills can't get past KC or that Allen must work harder in the off season so he can get past Mahomes should have their NFL football fandom revoked.

No he won't. In his last two playoff games against Mahomes Allen played great. The problem is that the coaching and/or some of the rest of the team did not rise to the occasion. Look at Allen's game stats for these 2 games and tell me he has to play better? This entire thread is madness.

Very good. Given where the Bills sit with respect to the salary cap I think they had an excellent off season. As Bills fans we know that the losses while sad did not really hurt the team. I'm thinking that replacing Morse will be the trickiest part with the most potential downside. But any Bills fan knows that Morse was undersized and that caused problems against teams with monster DT's.

The injury reasons you cite are not only great points but I would go as far as saying that the Bills medical staff have set conditions for what Allen should and should not do after the season ends. We know he had injuries the last 2 seasons to his elbow and/or shoulder and it stands to reason that there were restrictions to how much throwing he should do from February through April. I would be shocked if the Bills medical people hadn't put restrictions on Allen throwing the football during these 3 months.

Are you basing this on Allen doing a lot more commercials then Mahomes in the off season?

You can't read my post without first seeing and understanding the CIRCUMSTANCES in which the Bills off season started. When you have been a division winner and final 4 - 8 finisher for 4 straight years the off season isn't about getting better as much as it's about staying at the top.

Under the circumstances the Bills have had a top 5 off season so far. They re-signed the two guys from the team they had to; they added a high quality offensive weapon, they solidified their coaching ranks; they got their CAP under control and basically Belichecked several players who were on the downward trajectory of their careers.

I don't believe it either but my daughter in law who is a big Bengal's fan says it was blowing up her social media!

Down here in Cincinnati this is big news today: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Jefferson-to-Bengals-rumors?page=2 Supposedly it would involve Higgens and 2 1st round picks to land JJ from the Vikings!

Or maybe the poster is simply a moron trying to convince the rest of us about how football illiterate they are.

Russel Wilson would be a great addition!

People forget that McD/Bean gutted the Bills offense for the 2018 season. That unit was bad. The fact that Allen showed glimpses of the great QB he would become with that group around him is amazing in hindsight. A lot of rookie QB's would have been knocked out of the league facing what Allen faced his rookie year as a starter.

A lot of people would have said something like this about Mathew Stafford when he played at Detroit. Then he was traded to LA and won a Super Bowl. You might want to look at coaching & the Bills roster rather then Allen here.

I believe that the Chiefs would have had a better regular season record with Allen at QB this season and still would have won the Super Bowl.

You can absolutely say that Allen's has been at a disadvantage versus the Chiefs during the last "few years" if you define "few" as 3 years. * During the 2021 season the Chiefs had Kelsey AND Hill, and Andy Reid, enough said. * During the 2022 season the Chiefs had Andy Reid and one of the top 3 rated offensive lines in the NFL the Bills had one of the worst, enough said. * During the 2023 season for the first time in Allen's career he had similar talent as Mahomes on the O line & among his skill players. And the Bills beat the Chiefs during the regular season, finished ahead of them to gain home field advantage in the playoffs and then only lost the game when their FG kicker missed a 44 yard kick in the last 2 minutes. Oh and Mahomes still had Andy Reid as coach AND a championship caliber defense.

There you go again. Where in that sentence does it remotely suggest Allen NEVER makes an inaccurate throw? Rib's point, which is difficult to rationally dispute is that pressure as Allen released the ball impacted the throw and caused him to miss Shakir. A reasonable & defensible criticism here is that Allen should have stepped up in the pocket a half second sooner and made the throw. But again you demand PERFECTION from Allen and no one else on the team - it's crazy to me.

I don't buy this. In the 4th quarter Allen drove the Bills 54 yards in 14 plays using 6:23 BEFORE he threw those 2 incompletions. On that drive Diggs dropped what would have been at minimum a 60 yard completion. Allen converted one 3rd down and one 4th down on that drive. The FACT remains that while the ending wasn't perfect Allen put the Bills in position to tie the game with less then 2 minutes remaining. Missing a 44 yard FG in today's NFL is inexcusable. You are criticizing Allen for not being perfect on that last drive where "perfect" in your mind was to score a TD to go up by 4 with less then 30 seconds to play. That is an amazingly unrealistic expectation for someone who has been watching football for 50+ years. For nearly three quarters of the Super Bowl Mahomes could only lead his team to 2 FG's while throwing a bad INT. He was gifted a TD late in the 3rd quarter after a terrible special teams play by the 49's. The idea that if Mahomes were the Bills QB playing against the KC defense we would have achieved the PERFECT outcome (TD with very little time left) is purely hypothetical. Finally, the charges of "homerism" by you and others because some of us debate what we think are your awful takes on Allen is getting old. NO ONE is saying Allen is perfect and can't improve his game. What we are saying is that the extent to which Allen can further improve his game is minuscule compared to the other places that the Bills need to improve their play & coaching. The problems preventing the Bills from becoming a perennial AFC Championship/Super Bowl games participant and winner has almost nothing to do with Allen and almost everything to do with other aspects of the Bills.

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of us thought Jacksonville was going to be that team this year and look what happened. The Texans now must clear the first hurdle a bad team must overcome when they become relevant again - repeat it. This is easier said then done as Jacksonville and the NY Giants to name just a couple of recent teams that were unable to do it.

Where stats do matter is when you're trying to determine where you are falling short and how you get over the hump to "just win, baby". And Allen's stats are a reminder that he is the Bills best player. Stats also provide compelling evidence to disprove the morons constantly claiming that "Allen has to do more". And in the NFL a single player, even a HOF QB considered by almost everyone to be among the best to ever play the position, is not enough. Just ask Dan Marino.

I think you're on to something here. If QB had been listed as a reason for why he Bills had not been more successful the poll would have lost all credibility. I mean no sane person could list QB as a reason the Bills were not better. Heck, put Mahomes on the Bills and I am very confident they still would not have won a Super Bowl. Allen played very well in those games and made some monster plays to help win them. Also the threat of what Allen can do is a very powerful weapon and Brady deserves credit for using it in ways Dorsey did not.

You mean like the trash pick Mahomers threw against the 49's in the SB that his D saved his butt on? Funny how when Allen would throw a pick in the middle of the game giving the team the ball 50 yards from a score it was the turning point but on a championship team like KC it's an opportunity for the defense to rise up.