CincyBillsFan

Question - why wasn't a flag thrown on #80 who ran out of bounds for about 30 yards and almost caught the interceptor at the 10?

So do the Bills when anybody not named Hercules is reffing - which was the point of an excellent statistical analysis earlier in this thread.

Sort of like Tannehill in his prime.

Okay he's at the half yard line - still a penalty. At the 50 yard line it might be okay to let that slide but at the goal line you must call pass interference.

Will it ever end! Seriously, at what point do we all look at each other and say that the games are rigged? That was a TWO YARD TD throw, check out the stats. The pick was on the goal line the LOS was the 2 yard line. They threw the flag then picked it up after a bunch of Chiefs complained. What the hell?

I agree that this is the risk and it's very real. But unless the Bills suffer a complete collapse I don't see Pegula parting ways with McD. On the bright side, Tony Dungy won a SB at Indy and IMO McD is a better coach then he was. And Allen is as good as Manning so there may yet be hope.

I agree. At most Coleman was just a part of a death by a thousand strokes type of loss. To many Bills players brought their C game yesterday and the cumulative effect was a close loss. But to pin the loss on Coleman is silly.

Wait are you talking about the last play of the game? I thought you were talking about the possible throw to Samuel after Allen bailed from the pocket to soon? The score was 20 - 17 NE and a TD there puts the Bills up 24 - 20 with a couple of minutes left. Am I missing something?

I agree and this may be the only practical solution to the McD dilemma. We all know he's not getting fired and the reality is that firing McD MIGHT get the Bills over the hump or send them spiraling back down into the abyss. The risk is to great IMO and as you point out there are solutions to be had that don't involve taking the very real risk of moving on from McD. .

I am being objective here. My dad was fine with me getting an occasional B in Calculus or Organic Chemistry. IMO QB is the toughest position to play in team sports and expecting Allen to get an A in every game is unrealistic. In fact it's evidence of a lack of objectivity and grossly distorted expectations. But that's just my opinion. When I watch a game where Kincaid gets an A, Allen earns a B and a lot of the other players get a C or D I don't have a lot of patience with those that call out Allen after the game. Even if they're factually correct in saying that if only Allen had done this instead of that on a couple of plays the Bills would have won I can't help but think of that old Biblical verse: "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" Sealed the game? With more then 2 minutes left, NE with 3 TO's and against the Bills defense? The Pats had scored TD's on 2 of their 3 2nd half drives so the odds they would have been in the Bills red zone with a minute or more to play were pretty good.

I don't know but I've seen multiple posters say that Allen "played like crap" or that he "played bad" or that he "played poorly". And for the record there are posts blaming Allen for the loss. Not sure why you're getting so upset here? I wasn't aiming this at your posts but at a collection of posts in this and other threads. And why is it that some of you get upset at those of us who push back at what we see as unfair criticism of Allen? After all this is a Bills message forum and we're all Bills fans who "love Josh" right?

I'll address your accusation that some of us fans view Allen through rose colored glasses. But first other then your and others strange dislike of Allen there is no objective criteria that would support Allen having a poor game yesterday. He was good but not great. As others have said we saw Allen's B game against the Pats. Now onto your point. I have been a passionate Bills fan for over 60 years. And it's been my privilege to have been able to root for only 2 HOF QB's in all that time - Jim Kelly & Josh Allen. Allen is the reason the Bills have been legit SB contenders over the last 6 seasons. He is the reason Buffalo escaped 20 years of miserable football purgatory. On top of all that Allen is fun to watch and his effort has never flagged. For these reasons alone I deeply appreciate what Allen has meant to the Bills franchise & fan base. If ever a Bills player deserved the benefit of doubt Allen is that player. So I will never apologize for defending the greatest QB in Bills history from nit picking & snide remarks. There have been a couple of bad games by Allen over the years but last night was not one of them and it's not viewing his performance through rose colored glasses to say that.

And the ball landed well behind the LOS and Maye was between the tackles. I know some have said that the penalties in the 2nd half evened things out but I call BS on that. Most of the penalties against the Bills were judgement calls while the 3 big penalty's against the Pats were safety related infractions visible to everyone in the stadium and on TV. * The nasty head shot Allen took in the pocket. * The obvious time the NE WR grabbed the Bills DB's face mask. * The criminal assault on Cook as he was on the ground. BTW, why wasn't that guy ejected?

I hate to admit it but you maybe right. Damn once he gets healthy they should at least give him every opportunity to get on the field.

On the one hand your post is tin foil hat material, but then again a lot of tin foil hat material in all walks of life is coming true now a days. One thing for sure though is that the NFL wants an AFC East fight between the Bills, and their national audience, and the Pats with their shrinking but still large national audience. A competitive race between the two benefits the NFL far more then a run away Bills division title. Beating NE last night would have come close to locking up the AFC East after only 5 weeks - a terrible look by a league that worships at the altar of PARITY. And talking about non calls, in what Universe was that not grounding on Maye in the 1st half? You know the play and it was amazing that it wasn't called.

I can agree with this. As another poster noted last night was Allen's B game and he made some mistakes but also had several wow plays that kept drives alive and the Bills in the game. I would be more comfortable with the FO not giving Allen the tools he needs to consistently play his A game if they were not forcing the offense to play a certain way to protect the Defense and if the tools being lavished on the D had a better track record of success.

This is a great observation. Allen played his B game and the Bills lost. Mahomes plays a lot of B games that the Chiefs win. And that's why the Chiefs and not the Bills are going to Super Bowl games.

Damn the knives are out for Allen today. One freaking play where he bailed early cost the Bills the game? Really? The usual suspects on 2BD have been holding in their resentment of all things Allen during the 4 - 0 start and seem thrilled to be able to point to a couple of potential "mishaps" on Allen's part. Do any of you actually watch other football games? If you're going to go through every play you would see that even the best players in the game, and Allen is undoubtedly one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL, will mess up on a couple of plays per game. But let's try a thought experiment: say Allen stayed in the pocket and threw a TD pass on that play and the Bills go up 24 - 20 with 2 minutes to play and NE with 3 TO's. How confident are you that they don't go down and score a game winning TD with very little time left on the clock?

Off the record? You might be surprised at what Allen says in that scenario. BTW, Allen will always say he should play better but the real issue was whether or not Allen played good enough to win the game. And IMO he did. Other, far more serious issues, cost the Bills the game last night. Nitpicking Allen over this play or that is a fools errand. The problems limiting the Bills have nothing to do with Allen.

How do you know that the fumble was on Allen? The stats assign it to him but unless your name is Brady you have no idea who fumbled that ball. That any one watching last nights game would claim that Allen played poorly is astonishing to me. It would be no different then claiming Allen played great. He played a good game - nothing more, nothing less. The loss was not because of bad QB play.

Disagree, Allen played a good but not great game. If the Bills can't win games against decent teams, and yes NE is decent, when Allen only plays good then they are not a SB contender.

I thought Coleman also screwed up to pretty good first half sideline throws where he wasn't the 50/50 jump ball guy the Bills need him to be.

This is a great point and is 100% on Brady.

By what measure? Was Allen committing offensive pass interference and holding? Last season Allen had a crappy game against Houston. But last night was not a crappy game by any reasonable standard. Was it one of Allen's better games? No, but it's insane to say he played like crap.

Point out anything you want it's a free country. But don't pretend that your "analysis" of a still frame is the same thing as coaches in the film room going over each play. Looking at last nights game I could make a long list of why the Bills lost and it would be way down that list before I noted how Allen MAY have misjudged a couple of throws. Again, you people are nitpicking the guy that kept us in the game while the rest of the team struggled mightily. Check out the Bengals & Ravens for perspective.