CincyBillsFan

What do you mean? Allen is the best QB to play for the Bills and Kelly is the 2nd best - high honors for both men considering we're talking about a 65 year old franchise. But what has prevented Allen from matching Kelly's post season production is clearly the difference in surrounding talent on both sides of the ball. Give Allen 2 future HOF WR's, a HOF RB and a HOF DE who was a one man wrecking crew and Allen & the Bills have already won a couple of SB's.

I'm close but not there yet. Here's what I think is happening, the Bills have reopened their SB window. The 2024 Bills bear a lot of resemblance to the 2019 Chiefs that lost to NE in the AFC Championship game. Next year the Bills will make and win the SB. Trolling is fun, yes?

Put Allen on the Chiefs yesterday and he likley torches the Bills for 40 points. It would have been a repeat of the Bills/Patriots 2021 playoff game.

Sure Mahomes has lifted Reid into another level but to claim Reid did "diddly crap" in the playoffs until they drafted Mahome is dead wrong. Before Mahomes and when Reid coached in Philly he made 5 conference championship games (losing 4 but he got to 5) and 1 Super Bowl - hardly "diddly crap".

Sorry but this a bad take. Our all pro (2nd team) QB kept us in the game and in a position to win the game at the end. He did this almost single handily with a lot of help from Cook. And Cook's success was likely due in large part to KC keying on Allen. In football, when as you say your "pass catchers let you down" and the O line decides to "have a crap game" even an elite QB is not going to save the day.

Not only that but he might have gotten up and gained a couple of more yards making it a 3rd & 1. For sure that was a poor throw by Allen and if he had ed Samuels properly it would have been a 20 yard gain. But earlier yesterday, the Skins QB threw about 5 passes that were off target and their receivers went down and caught the ball for positive yards.

Until there is an upgrade of talent around Allen there won't be any Super Bowl's. I have come to the conclusion that it's really that simple. Compare what surrounds Allen on both sides of the ball to what surrounded Kelly during the SB years. The difference is glaring.

By any definition, Hollins our punt coverage gunner, is the #2 WR on the Bills with Shakir being WR #1. Hollins leads the team in TD catches to. And as much as I love Hollins and hope he's with the Bills next year the fact that he's our #2 WR is an indictment of the Bills organization.

And it's a stretch to say the Bills D forced that fumble tonight. It was Mahomes only real mistake of the night when he fumbled the fake hand off on 1st down. Otherwise the Chiefs were going to score a TD on that drive.

It's no more reasonable to laud a Defense that makes 3 stops on 8 of it's opponents possessions then it is to criticize an Offense that fails to score on 3 of its 8 possessions. The Bills O went up against the Chiefs strength which is their D and scored 4 TD's and 1 FG. That was more then good enough to win if the defense had simply played an average game. Instead they played a poor game and the Bills lost as a result.

What is it with the bizarre fixation on those first 2 passes? They were not picked off so what the hell is the point of bringing them up? Allen played a very good game against an elite D on the road. The Bills offensive production and Allen's stats support this 100%. My conclusion from tonight is that the Bills have failed to surround Allen with Super Bowl level talent on both sides of the ball. Think back to the Kelly SB years and his supporting cast. There is no comparison between the two. This nitpicking of Allen is way off base and doesn't pass any reasonable eye test.

Allen played better then he needed to win this game.

What do you think Allen would have done to our Defense tonight? It would not have been pretty. In fact, the Bills win this game if it's at home. Next year they must grab the #1 seed.

It was a routine NFL catch IMO. Watch the replay and Allen put the Ball exactly where Kincaid could catch it which was incredible under the circumstances of that throw. Do you know what the drop reminded me of? The Clay drop late in the Miami game during Allen's rookie year. The good news though is I still think Kincaid is going to be a great TE for the Bills.

I disagree. If Allen had played his C+/B- game tonight the Bills would have lost by 3 scores. The fact that the O line and Kincaid had that last drop were the reasons Allen didn't play an A/A+ game. But from the QB stats, offensive production and clutch TD dives Allen clearly played an A- game.

To say the D "wasn't the issue" is insane IMO. The Chiefs defense is their strength. Our offense went toe to toe with them all night and acquitted themselves well. In contrast the D started and finished poorly.

Yep and after that he was quite good leading the O to 4 TD's and a FG. Pulling off key TD drives, one at the end of the 1st half and one in the 4th quarter when the Chiefs took a 29 - 22 lead, to keep the Bills in the game. And even on the 4th & 5 in the face of a Spags mega blitz Allen made an incredible throw that should have been caught for a first down at the KC 25 giving us a great chance to win the game. The nitpicking of Allen I'm seeing here makes no sense and ignores the real reasons the Bills cant get over the hump. The fact is that if Allen is no longer out there due to injury or he moves on to another team the Bills are a 7 or 8 win team that isn't in the playoffs at best. The real issue and overriding concern is why can't the Bills organization put a better team around Allen. My goodness just a little bit better and we would be going to and winning multiple Super Bowls.

A lot of NFL fans remember each and every one of those guys. This is absolutely true and supported by the stats. That Allen is only 7 - 6 in the playoffs with the numbers he's put up is a powerful indictment of the rest of the organization.

He will be to well represented in the QB record books to be forgotten. In the end even if he never actually makes a Super Bowl his continuous playoff successes & close losses combined with his record setting play both in the regular AND post season will keep Allen in the minds of a lot of NFL fans. He will be a cautionary tale for any future spectacular QB's who are fated to be in an organization that just couldn't get it done. You are spot on my man. If Allen continues doing over the next 5 years exactly what he's done so far he will be a first ballot HOFer.

He threw two bad passes to start the game and then was outstanding the rest of the way leading the Bills offense to 4 TD's and a FG. And for the record Allen was NOT intercepted on either of those two throws. DB's drop INT's in every game. Why are you throwing out a crazy coulda/woulda/shoulda for those two passes? It makes no sense to me. Why you're focusing on this one series at the start of the game is beyond bizarre. IMO it's a new low in Allen hate. Allen was not the problem in this game not even close. He and Cook were the strengths of the team tonight and were the two players most responsible for putting us in a position to win. Without their great play KC would have won tonight's game by 3 scores. And you would have a lot more credibility if you showed as much anger at a defense that allowed KC to go 90 yards in 9 plays on their opening TD drive then a couple of poor Allen passes to start the game off.

This is a conference championship game on the road against the two time defending Super Bowl champion with a top 5 defense. The offense can not be expected to score points on every position in that situation. Had the Bills D played half as good against the Chiefs O as the Bills O played against the Chiefs D the Bills win this game. The simple fact is that the D was 90% responsible for the loss and the O was 10% responsible.

It only defines his legacy to those that have little or no knowledge of the game of football.

The fact that each of the Bills opponents in the 3 playoff games scored TD's on their first possessions is a real problem.

It's a bullet proof indictment of the Defenses poor play in both games.

The reality is that the defense was 90% responsible for the loss and the offense was 10% responsible. Yet we have Bills "fans" blaming the O. The fact is that in the off season they must fix the defense whch means that beyond signing Cook & Shakir to extensions the FA money is going to go to the D. The O will have to depend on the draft.