CincyBillsFan

I could also see them standing pat at guard. They may conclude that they're good enough and they actually have decent depth at the position. This would allow them to focus resources on more pressing needs: D-line, TE and RB.

And their QB play after Tom left. And I don't see that changing next season.

I had the exact same reaction. But for Bengal's fans down here in Cincinnati their take on Allen is based on the late explosion he had on Prime Time and the playoffs. So they're a but behind the curve. The football talk radio guys down here routinely mention Allen and "elite" in the same breadth. They say that for the Bengals to have a shot in the AFC Burrow has to develop into an elite level QB like Mahomes, Allen & Jackson. As an aside, Lamar Jackson has absolutely destroyed the Bengals so you won't get many folks in Cincy throwing out that he isn't an elite passer. In the AFC North they know he'll be a headache for years to come. Then if the Bengals can get out of the Division they have to tangle with Mahomes & Allen. So in their minds everything depends on Burrow.

Bengals fans were hoping to sign Williams this off season: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Daryl-Williams-Re-signs-with-Bills And it's always fun to read a take on the Bills like this from another fan base: Yep, hurts for us Bengal fans, for sure. However, can you really blame the guy for wanting to stay with the Bills? They have one of the most rabid ban bases in football, in Bills Mafia. They have a good team, with what looks like a potential future All-Pro in Allen at QB, they made noise in the playoffs, and are doing their level best to keep the band together. Meanwhile, you have the Bengals. The Bengals missed their sweet spot with 5 straight playoff appearances, their chance to get noticed and command respect from Big Market USA. The team that was, is now diminished and pretty much starting from scratch with a new franchise QB, and a handful of younger, talented players. If I hadn't been a Bengal fan my whole life, it would be really tough to not love the Bills, as a new football fan.

It's a desperation move. The Patriots are running out of options. And check out Newton's 2019 season at Carolina before he was hurt to see that the guy was already sliding fast. If the Jets & Dolphins aren't careful the Bills will inherent an AFC East every bit as inept as the one that NE enjoyed for 20 years.

My guess is that this deal is a good one next year and then a great one for the Bills the following three years as the CAP salary spigot opens up fully.

The Bills were a QB away for over 20 years. That tall order can be as high as Mount Everest.

IMO the reason to sign Allen now is to avoid trouble in the future and get the best possible deal. Since we're all ignorant of what Allen thinks about the process I'm just spitballing here but if Jackson & Mayfield get extended by their teams and Allen doesn't do the Bills create the seeds of discontent and make future negotiations more difficult? I get the Wentz/Goff concerns but honestly Bean has to ignore them. Signing Allen to the best possible long term deal for him and the team will need an imaginative & aggressive approach by Bean. My sense is that once free agency wraps up this will get managements full attention. I don't get the wait until later position on Allen.

You guys are missing the big picture here. This is an obvious attempt to convince DeShawn Watson to lobby for a trade to Miami. By bolstering their O-line in this way, how can Watson say no to the Dolphins?

Funny this topic came up. Driving around town today and listening to the NFL station on Sirius radio the guys doing the show were BOTH saying that after studying Zack Wilson film over the last week they were willing to put him ahead of Lawrence! I'm not ready to go there as it seems like sacrilege to question TL. But I'm seeing more of the so called "experts" saying that Wilson is a lot closer to Lawrence then people think. It would explain why all of a sudden the Jets GM says he'll answer the phone if someone calls about acquiring Darnold. And in the same announcement he praises Darnold through the roof. If the Jets have come to the conclusion that Wilson is an outstanding, elite prospect then it makes more sense to take him in the draft then give up all those picks for Watson or try to get Darnold to work out. In the last two national championship games.

Great effort, thanks for doing this. For my part I would keep Morse as he's a steady eddy vet presence on the line and doesn't cost that much. But your scenario certainly works. Collins from Michigan is interesting. He was a solid WR who didn't benefit from very good QB play in 2019. I'm hoping for more at RB and TE though Sweeney is a definite dark horse and Knox played well down the stretch. It would be HUGE if Knox & Sweeney really stepped it up next season. And there is a good possibility that they just might.

File this under images I'll never be able to erase from my memory - thanks a lot!

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Well that was a surprise. I wish him best of luck in Phoenix. IMO 31 million with 23 million guaranteed is to much so while I'm disappointed that the Bills didn't get him I would have been nervous if we did get him at that price.

My guess is we would see more foreign games? Maybe Toronto will want to welcome back the Bills! Of course knowing how much the league likes the Bill's we would probably face Cleveland in the first game ever played in Kabul!

This is a great insight. He's like a kid who grew up with parents who wouldn't let him eat junk food and then he goes off to college and discovers the Taco stand & doughnut shop right next door! Like you said he's earned the right to be flirtatious. I wish him luck wherever he goes,

To be clear I said that Watson MIGHT turn into the AFC's version of Stafford if he was traded to Miami or the Jets. You need to get that right to understand my point. And it's NOT flip flopping to point out that you judge a QB based on MULTIPLE factors including stats, leadership, toughness & wins. Again you seem to have failed to grasp that my point was that a QB should be judged by more then just the stats and that intangibles play a big part in the assessment. But can we at least agree that Watson has been fortunate to play on a very good football team through his first 3 seasons? Last year was the first time the team around him sucked. At least that's what your the records you posted above seem to say.

Fair enough. That's a reasonable opinion. And I agree that Rogers could have won a SB with this years Tampa team but I don't agree that Watson would have. So far Watson's playoff record and performances don't indicate to me that he could have carried the Buc's through 4 straight playoff games. In fact if we're going to be talking hypothetical situations I think Allen would have been more likley to lead this years Tampa team to a SB then Watson would have.

Of course they did. But do you believe that Tampa wins a playoff game without Brady? Do you think they win THREE playoff games just to get to the Super Bowl without Brady? I just don't agree with those posters that appear to be suggesting that you assess QB's based solely on their stats. In no other position in all of sports do the intangibles matter as much as they do with QB in football. Brady was the reason the Bucs won the Super Bowl and his passing skills were only a part of it.

Stafford threw for 5038 yards and 41 TD's in only his THIRD season. So I don't think I'm reaching one bit.

It is! Could have fooled me. In 12 seasons Stafford has thrown for 45,109 yards; 282 TD's & 144 INT's. In 8/12 of Stafford's seasons he has thrown for over 4,000 yards. That's 2/3 of his career. Watson has thrown for over 4,000 yards in half of his seasons (2/4). And when you look at their best seasons so far Stafford holds up well against Watson. A couple of great Stafford seasons: 2017 = 4446 yards; 29 TD's & 10 INT's and in 2011 = 5038 yards; 41 TD's & 16 INT's. Watson's two best seasons: 2018 = 4165 yards; 26 TD's & 9 INT's and in 2020 = 4823 yards; 33 TD's & 7 INT's So yea, they do belong in the same discussion.

I feel like it's ground hog day. When posters claim Watson had a better statistical year then Allen did in 2020 and I point out that Watson faced a lot more prevent defense which impacted the numbers big time I'm accused of "trashing" Watson. I suspect I'll be called a Watson hater for pointing out that the difference in chronological age is far less important then the FACT that Watson has an extra season of NFL experience. And to double down on my supposed disrespect of Watson is it okay for me to point out that he played for an elite college football program? That Watson had a huge advantage over Allen from this? So claiming Watson is more consistent then Allen is disingenuous. As for Brady, hey I hate him as much as the next Bills fan but he is the reason that Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl this year. That alone makes him a better QB then Watson IMO. And for someone who claims to be a huge Allen fan you sure do pour a lot of passion into defending and talking up Watson. So who would you rather have - Watson or Allen? In fact the last time I saw this much passion over a QB on 2BD was after Allen was drafted and folks couldn't stop telling us all how much Allen sucked and how bad a pick it was. There's more to a QB then stats. IMO Watson did not put up a top 5 season as a QB. Sure his stats were top 5 but by that criteria QB's like Stafford would be considered elite. Watson is a very good QB and if the Bills didn't have Allen I would be clamoring for Bean to make a move for him. But IMO Allen is better and has entered the realm of elite QBing.

Funny how back in Allen's rookie year when we pointed out all the dropped passes and missed blocks we were called excuse makers. When we said Allen played on a terrible offense we were told to quit making excuses. We were told if Allen was truly a great QB he would overcome those things. Now all I see are excuses for Watson. Yes Watson is a very good QB. No, IMO he's not a top 5 QB but a top 10 QB.

I disagree. IMO Allen is better then Watson now and that gap will only widen next season. IMO I also consider Rogers, Brady & Wilson to be clearly better then Watson. And I'm curious as to what you would say is Watson's "proven" track record? He's clearly been a very good QB on a decent team during his first 3 seasons but beyond that what has he actually proven?