NoHuddleKelly12

Agreed—but their margin for error was narrowed a lot by Wilson K. You have no chance if your draft classes after don’t hit and no $ to plug holes in FA. I wonder if we will ever see QB money correction in our lifetimes? Rookie signings used to be going the same way before the new CBA. Maybe a new thread topic in there somewhere

How quickly we forget the implosion after he signed his $$$ deal here, and was run out on a rail I’m sure with most here in agreement that his time in Buffalo needed to end, mutually. But was he an improvement over Capt Checkdown Edwards? Undoubtedly. How long this lasts in Tampa? Maybe 2-3 more weeks? I wish him well, but am glad to have Allen right now

All I’m saying is look at the Seahawks since Wilson got paid—basically downhill ever since, but they were unstoppable when they had all the cap room in the world to work with before that. Of course, Cleveland has had all the cap room in the world for all of recent history and that hasn’t gotten them a W yet either, so maybe bad analogy, IDK. Just hoping we hit some gold with our cash in 2019.

I try not to Sully (whoops, no pun intended) my overall memory of Marv by focusing too much on Marv’s GM tenure—still would’ve been happier if Wilson had granted Marv’s real wish of getting back on the sideline Instead of the FO, but in retrospect somehow i doubt the 2nd coaching go-around would’ve been as fun as the 1st...

Getting performance out of very opportunistic rookie K’s is critical under the cap for a rebuilding franchise like us—with the salary cap constraints being what they are and Beane probably having to overpay the 2019 FA’s, maybe the Seahawks model when they started their run with Wilson on his rookie deal leaving space for paying a monster D and key offensive playmakers around him is the way to emulate?

Yes, any idea why?

Maybe the 2018 draft class will have morphed into what the ‘83 class represented for so long, where a league without the likes of Marino, Elway, Kelly (and let’s not forget drafted with that same class, Todd Blackledge ?) was hard to imagine—but the torch passes invariably from generation to generation—I just hope Allen is not the Blackledge of this group. Early returns are promising though!

If I'm Belichick, does my ego demand that I stick around for another few seasons after Brady finally hangs it up, just to prove that I can win a SB (or get to another one) without Brady?

Did he ever have more than basically 1 300+ yard game for the Bills? Allen's first start already came close to that mark, despite the bottom of the barrel WR's and well-documented O-line problems that TT was not dealing with (as much).

Adrian Peterson Kyle Williams Vontae Davis (Crap...sorry, brain fart)

Why does it seem like the Bill Belichick coaching tree curls up and dies like it's been hit with Agent Orange almost every time one of these coordinators gets a HC gig? (McDaniels, Crennel, Patricia, Mangini off the top of my head--maybe more)

It would have to take the Ravens game level of futility replayed all over again into at least week 8 or 9 before this could become a serious topic of discussion. Oh, and a few more FA's pulling a vontae on the team

Hmmm...am not aware. But I did find this: https://giphy.com/gifs/dumpster-fire-pittsburgh-QLyhWVTvAHbAbAdWcp

"One kid being a sore loser and just going home because he didn’t want to play soccer." Ouch...does that sting just a little bit Vontae? Nah, probably not. If the dude didn't have any form of loyalty to his mates in the trenches in the middle of the battle, then nothing said about him now will probably matter to him either. It is kind of funny though that his name is quickly turning into an action noun (e.g., exactly halfway up the forbidding slopes of K2, the sherpa decided he'd had enough of the stinging wind in his face, and turned without a word to rappel back down the mountain, and leave his rag tag group of half-frozen tourists behind to await a certain death. "Don't vontae on us now sir, please!" hauntingly echoed through the Himalayas, but eventually those sounds were swallowed up by the howl of the wind embracing the treacherous mountain...); or, in the past tense, maybe it would read something like this--"Johnny was mad because he'd been vontaed by his best friend, who never even had the decency to send him a direct text message before quitting on the model airplane project they'd been working on for half the year already."

I like it--at least give Teller a shot--could it really be any worse if we do? Like you said, he may learn and progress, whereas anyone he jumps in for on the current spots may have already plateaued? Plus it would show McD means business with shaking things up-no one's job is "safe," and if it lights any kind of fire under guys getting benched, so much the better down the road.

I stand corrected, thanks!

Coach Huey “Hue” Jackson is literally as effective in collecting wins as the Venezuelan minister of economic growth is in stopping inflation. I know they were planning on a total rebuild several years back even more extreme than ours, but good night all of us here are also perfectly capable of putting up something like a 1-31 coaching record coming into this year. They are showing a pulse this year at least, but I wonder how long Huey can afford to keep Mayfield on ice?

Music ? to my ears; this kid is starting to take the reigns and all of us hope he never lets them go—a real leader does stuff like this. A great sign of things to come!

Hopefully we can flash enough $$ in front of the impact ones that do hit the market, to right the ship--there's always enough given other teams' salary cap issues to where we should be able to take advantage, as one of the teams playing a starting QB on a rookie team friendly cap deal. I get it's not a cure-all, and hitting on the draft picks is key, but good grief, there have to be some moves to make where the money will fix a lot.

That's on Beane to figure out, he's cashing the paycheck to do so.

What?? You don't want to get running Clemson commentary/updates during your HC's NFL pressers? Or Rex modeling the latest in Tiger apparel?

I'm still not willing to pull the plug on McD, I feel like his fundamental back to basics approach was needed after blustering blowhard Sexy Rexy & nepotism-enabled Rob hit their ceiling, lost their mojo and couldn't get out of their own way, but the goodwill checks are definitely being cashed in at a drunken sailor in Rio type pace. Hopefully Allen gets the help he needs, and soon.

I really do get your concern. But to your point about replacing them with nothing, if we go through the upcoming offseason not getting a windfall of quality FA's with all of the cash laying around, and multiplying our draft capital, I'd be more inclined to agree with you--I just think it's too early to say we've gotten nothing back, since it seems like everything's been geared towards writing off bad contract dead money and gaining picks, so at least that's a plan for enabling significant future acquisitions to move the product on the field forwards to compete for the actual division and knock of the Patsies once and for all. The problem is that's happened at the expense of short term competitiveness, worse than I expected for sure, and this on the heels of the playoffs, so our fan expectations are of course that we should be repeating, not going bottoms up. I don't think Beane has been as transparent and/or honest as he probably should've been along the way about this--no managing of expectations, or not enough at least.

Plenty of previous regimes/HC's had their shot at this since Wade Phillips in '99, and whiffed so bad that by default McD has bought himself an extra few years. I don't think anybody can argue that McD was able to get the season turned around after the Chargers game (winning a tough one on the road in KC the following week), admitting to his locker room that what he'd tried hadn't worked, and got a bunch of no talents to overachieve beyond their pay grades--also a big reason why Kyle Williams decided to come back for one more run after buying in, and he's had the hindsight/benefit of living through truly awful coaching when he's seen it during his career, no? At least McD has the kahonies to admit when he's gotten something wrong, and not stick with such a bad decision over the course of a whole season, just to try to save his own ego. Peterman became a Thursday All-American during the off-season: full-go when everyone else was jogging, and that had even a bunch of posters on these boards saying it was the right call to say he'd won an open competition and save Allen for after the brutal opening stretch of games. Now that we know different, it's not like McD hasn't owned it--he immediately (again) tried to rectify the situation. He's in year 2 of his first HC gig, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. Let's see what happens after adjustments have been made going into the next couple weeks. Much of the roster's dumpster fire that happened in the off-season I'm sure was not part of what he wanted either.

For Vontae's response in the locker room when told that his 1st half was unacceptable... https://giphy.com/gifs/rWbIF9rfkV4NW