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Back by popular demand is my attempt to go through and categorize each of Josh's throws so we can see how he's progressing as a passer beyond the traditional stats or conjecture. I'm adding conclusions after each description to be categorized, so we can look at more things than just bad throws. Link to previous week's thread at the bottom. Here we go. 1st quarter: 12:14 - underneath throw complete to Mckenzie for four yards (complete) 11:35 - Josh throws quick left to Mckenzie for nine yards and a first down (complete) 9:40 - quick throw right to Mckenzie behind the LOS, nice YAC (complete) 9:07 - play action roll out right. No one's open. (incomplete, throwaway) 2:30 - nice pocket, lots of time. Allen finds Foster for eight yards and a first. (complete) 1:07 - lots of time, Allen finds Zay for seven yards with a really hard throw. (complete) 0:26 - Allen gets chased out of the pocket right but almost throws a pick along the sideline (incomplete, bad throw/decision) Summary: 5-7 passing, one throwaway, one bad throw / decision 2nd quarter: 10:00 - Nice throw over the middle to Mckenzie for 11 and a first. (complete) 9:25 - play action with a nice throw by Josh complete to Foster for 25 yards. (complete, big time throw) 8:56 - we take a shot to Foster on a post route which Foster messes up in his adjustment to the ball but still draws the PI (penalty, big time throw) 3:46 - play action over the middle to Mckenzie for 16 yards and a first. (complete) 2:44 - play action roll out to the right. (incomplete, throwaway) 2:37 - Allen thinks he has a free play and takes a shot down the sideline (incomplete) 0:33 - throw short and complete to Mckenzie for three yards (complete) 0:14 - Allen scrambled around and throws a bomb that's more or less on target. Defender makes a nice play to knock away from Zay. (incomplete) Summary: 4-7 passing, one throwaway, two big time throws 3rd quarter: 12:52 - quick throw out and throw to Ford for seven yards. (complete) 8:33 - Allen has tonnes of time, doesn't like what he sees and eventually scrambles right, still doesn't like it and throws away (incomplete, throwaway). 8:22 - on 3rd and 6 Allen throws downfield to Zay who's double covered, but he overshoots everyone. (incomplete, bad throw/decision) 5:46 - play action roll out left. Allen throws across his body (on the move) down field to Thompson and over shoots him. Really difficult throw. (incomplete) 5:40 - tonnes of time in the pocket. Allen eventually finds Foster down field for 31 yards. Foster almost bobbles it OB. (complete, big time throw) Summary: 2-5 passing, one throwaway, one bad throw/decision, one big time throw 4th quarter: 14:02 - Josh takes a shot down field and puts it this close to being on target. Thompson dives for it and gets his hands on it but can't come up with the catch. (incomplete) **I expect this will be hotly contested. Many will say this is a drop. Here's the deal: if the receiver has to lay out for the ball then it's at least a little on the QB. I'm not saying this was a bad throw. It was almost a great throw, but sometimes almost = incomplete pass** 13:54 - Josh rifles one to Zay over the middle, and he can't hold on. (incomplete, dropped pass) 13:47 - Lots of time in the pocket. Josh throws to Zay along the right sideline but the CB makes a nice play on the ball (incomplete) 11:09 - Again lots of time in the pocket. Josh goes to Zay again in single coverage an this time Zay gets the flag. (penalty) 11:03 - trick play where Allen runs out right then throws back across the field behind LOS to Ford who runs for five yards (complete, penalty) 10:35 - Another great pocket for Allen who completes a beautiful pass to Foster for 42 yards and the TD (complete, big time throw) 5:08 - read option. Allen chooses to keep but then Clay can't get free and so Allen throws it away (incomplete, throwaway) 5:02 - Josh has loads of time, eventually there's a hold on the oline when he scrambles right and throws to the first down market. Dropped INT. (incomplete, bad throw/decision) 2:46 - Josh puts nice touch on a ball to Croom off play action for 25 yards (complete, big time throw) 2:00 - Josh draws the defense off side but misses Foster over the middle (penalty) Summary: 2-7 passing, one throwaway, one dropped pass, one bad throw/decision, one big time throw Game Summary: 13-26 passing, four throwaways, one dropped pass, three bad passes/decisions, four big time throws Much better game from Josh today even though his stats weren't as great. For comparison, last week he had 7 bad passes/decisions in 36 attempts, so the decision making is improving. Last week he also had three big times throws, four dropped passes, and four throwawys.

I watched Williams almost cost the Browns the game last night. They're up one on the road with 2 mins to go and the ball on the 10, and instead of taking the easy FG and making the Broncos go the length of the field (even though they were struggling all night and had only put up 16 points), instead he goes goes for it on 4th down and doesn't make it. Browns D stopped them on the last drive and so they won the game anyways, but with no thanks to their coach.

Nice touch!

Man that's a soft PI

Wow. Allen apologizers need only to show those three back to back to back throws and drops / poor plays on the ball and nothing more needs to be said. That was just painful.

Hoooo Man. Just missed him.

Allen needs to take over on this drive. No one is helping and all the running backs are gone. If we start handing off to DiMarco I'm turning the game off.

Thank goodness Stafford sucks.

That whole sequence was dumb. Between that call and the decision not to throw away in the first quarter this should be a tie game.

Our receivers man...

So much for the running game

Is it on the way to the ground or is Wallace's knee down before he gets there and loses the ball? Sure looked like the latter on first review. Love to see the replay again. Edit: went back and watched it again. I'd give the INT to Wallace. There's more than enough evidence.

Exactly. Call a time out there and get a better look at it. There was enough on the replay before they snapped it to make that call.

Wallace clearly catches it in his chest and has both hands on the ball. Galloday also has one hand in there. Then at some point between the initial catch and them coming up from the ground Galloday manages to steal it. I would have at least called time out to get a better review. It wound up leading to a TD.

I would have challenged that catch. Looked like an INT to me. Wallace caught it then had it taken away when they were on the ground.

Superstar TD. Wow.

Nice throw by Allen. Foster kind of got bailed out there by the defender after adjusting late.

ST takes away like 100 yards and 10 points a game. This is nuts.

Usually when the QB sees the rush too late. Allen saw it right away and had time to get all the way from the middle of the pocket to well outside left before being brought down. It's easy to sit here and arm chair QB and much harder on the field, but I think he could have made a different decision on that play if he'd wanted to.

Hopefully today. We established the run on both our first drives. It's time to come out with play action on first down and take some shots downfield.

It's two quick steps to the side and throw it out of bounds. Most good QBs do this several times a game to avoid sacks. Not everyone can run like Allen.

I guess the question given Allen saw him early enough is: should he have made a better decision taking one-two steps left outside the pocket and throwing away to keep us in FG position rather than trying to make a big play and getting sacked out of FG position? There are times I want Allen to try to make that play, but not on third down when we're in FG position.

I think this is too harsh. I like almost everything that's happened defensively since McD has taken over. The Frazier thing was weird, but McD fixed that. The whole offense needs to be flipped personnel-wise, and so it's too early. ST are inexcusable and that falls on McD. If he can't get that fixed next year too then there will be problems, but it's too early to say he won't.

Yeah that was on Josh. Throw it away and kick the FG.

Allen is trending. Lions suck. I'm expecting a huge day from Josh.