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There's no way to not see Elam as a miss. McD is a good secondary coach, and Kaiir has been through two training camps now, and we gave him real opportunity last year.

Defense was a little better. Offense was a lot better. Interesting to see Josh come out not sharp again. He missed Diggs open on first series, and then back of the end zone second series. But he rallied and was great from there. Hopefully this means Josh is locked in now. This receiving core has potential. Great game from Gabe. Kinkaid is clearly good against zone. Knox can play, and Cook has big play ability (even if he can't break a tackle). I really like this offense. Does it work better if we start with Murray or Harris and then go to Cook?

You could tell something was off right from the fitst series. Anyone have an explanation for that throw on third down that was waaaaay behind Diggs?

This game was 100% on Josh. No one let alone McD can overcome 4 I’ll advised turnovers from Josh. Let’s not resort to hyperbole just so we can scapeegoat the coaches.

Josh needs to step aside for the good of the team

It’s time for Kyle Allen to take over.

Whether we win tonight or not, it’s clear we have a problem.

It’s the twilight zone. We’re back to square one. Josh is a rookie and has forgotten everything he knows. WTH is happening!!???

If Josh was a regular QB and we didn’t know any better, we’d be calling for his back up right now.

We’re little and very vulnerable. Hopefully the refs will at least respect our feelings.

We’re still so small. Jets are just bigger and tougher than we are.

Josh is single-handed my keeping Jets in this game. Awful decisions in big spots.

Oline still can’t block but Josh has had some head scratchers too. Ugly start.

I love our first three picks. Kincaid will seem like a luxury pick to anyone not paying attention but he's a potential fit/band aid to a bunch of our problems (e.g. OLine protection, size at receiver, slot post Beas, end zone weapon, etc.). O'Cyrus and Williams were need picks but there's nothing to suggest they won't be productive based on their history.

Kincaid is the key along with how he gets used. Running more 12 personnel might help with our line issues, and if Kincaid can also be an answer in the slot then we might bring an added element of toughness that was missing the last few years outside of Josh strong man runs. We need Diggs to not drop off (he's turning 30) and for our Oline to not suck as bad. It'd be nice if Cook made a leap too. Offense needs to do the heavy lifting this year because the defense is looking a little soft.

Continuity can be really good. It's one of the reasons I was so high on this team the last coulple years. But we might be getting close with some of these guys. Diggs will be 30 this year. Milano 29 Poyer 32 Hyde 33 White 28 Von 34 DaQuan Jones 32 Morse 31 Dawkins 29 Outside of Josh, these are our key guys.

We're going into year 5/6 with the core group. That's a long time together. It looks good on paper but there are big holes, and sometimes when you're that number of years in guys who you're penciling in to be what they were just aren't all of a sudden. Hopefully that's not us. Edit: I include McD in this

I think there's a good chance we won't be as good as the last three years. Defense is poised to take a step back. Losing Edmunds hurts. Von being hurt hurts. Our biggest weapon has been our secondary. Tre might be better in year 2 but Hyde and Poyer are getting up there. The drop off will come eventually. Dabol was a big part of our success. So was Josh who should be healed and better, but it remains to be seen if the rest of the offense will be. Kincaid will help but rookies usually take time, especially TEs. We're still the best bet to win the division, but it will be much tougher this season.

There are certain guys you can bring and have them be day one starters. O'Cyrus looks like that type of player. Dorian flashes but he looks raw. Edmunds was similarly raw but we weren't really playing for anything five years ago. MLB is a really important part of any NFL defense let alone McD's. It makes sense to start someone like Klein while young guys like Williams and Bernard (ha) learn. This is an instance where I trust McD, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Williams step up later in the year once he gets the hang of what we're trying to do. Cook made a similar mini leap second half of last year. Also, and not to derail the thread, but Elam looks lost despite lots of hand holding. Some guys never get it. Too much, too soon is a real thing for some of these kids.

Not gonna sugarcoat it - this sucks. The fact that McD is "very concerned" after supposedly having meetings with Steph the last couple days is troublesome to say the least. Him and Josh going from besties to whatever they are now isn't great either. You don't have to be best friends to play well together, but if there's been a relationship breakdown that can absolutely impact performance. Those guys need to be able to trust each other on the field and not let emotions get in the way.

This is cool but if Josh so much as sprains a finger I'm blaming it on Madden. They think they can derail our season. Not gonna happen.

Their discussion about who the alpha is in the relationship is stupid. Their discussion about less time playing football leading to more injuries when the bullets are flying is interesting. I wonder if anyone has done a missed OTAs vs. injury in training camp study. I bet there's a signal.

I'm super bullish on our offense. Completely agree with OPer and a bunch of other good posts itt for all the reasons mentioned (Kinkaid, improved OL, etc.) I'd add that Josh will presumably be healthy all year because he's a tank. Kinkaid odds for OROY are currently +4000 on fanduel. If you aren't a believer in this crop of QBs, that's a nice little payout for a guy who should do a lot of damage given our embassment of skill player riches on offense. Also, between Torrence and Kinkaid, I immediately feel A LOT better about Spencer Brown. The top of our draft was all Touchdown.

Our Dline isn't the problem. We have an abundance of talent there. Our issue is we don't have a back up 1-tech if DaQuan gets hurt and we don't have a classic Mike to shore up the run d. This is only a problem vs teams who can both run and pass (e.g. Bengals, historically Pats). You can't have everything.

The results of the poll are probably accurate. Kincaid is so far beyond Davis in terms of talent that defenses will be forced to double team him in addition to shading extra defenders on Diggs. Davis will be so wide open that Josh will have no choice but to prioritize him when it comes to targets.