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I don't think he's just a TE. He's a TE/slot/WR. He's not like other players. Maybe he'll flat out bust because he isn't good enough in any of those roles. I doubt it. His tape is very convincing.

Maybe that will be his rookie output. No one knows for sure. Knock him all you want but Kincaid was thought to be the top pass catcher in the draft and he certainly plays fast. We need a receiving threat who can take pressure off Diggs. Kincaid actually has the talent to do that. It's not going to take three years either. That's ridiculously pessimistic.

Totally disagree. He not only has a chance to become a big time contributor this year that gets lined up all over the place, but when drafting, especially in the 1st round, it pays to go after the guys you think will turn into pro bowlers and not just need players for the next while.

I'll leave the other stuff alone for now but much of the optimism for Bills is about Kincaid. A lot of smart football people had him as a top 10-15 prospect and ahead of all the receivers. This kid screams top end talent. We improved the OL with OCT who looks like a day one starter. Offense got better.

The offense got better. Josh getting to play in the postseason without a sprained UCL will automatically make us better. I don't think we've solved anything wrt stopping teams who can both pass and run. If we're beating the Bengals, it's because we're just outscoring them like we tried to with KC two years ago.

This notion that we "reached" on Williams or didn't get value from our 3rd is BS. Go find me the guy who was going to give us tremendous value in that spot. Williams was picked about where he was slated to get picked. Williams probably isn't going to start year one. There were no MLBs who were going to start year one when we picked. All the other starting positions are taken, so you're looking at depth regardless of who you pick. Why is Williams a worse long-term prospect than whoever else you might've liked? He's extremely fast, physical, and productive. The notion that all this kid will ever be is ST is nonsense. idc if you think another team had a better draft. Bills had a good draft and Williams has every chance to turn out to be a good pick.

When DaQuan got hurt, we had no chance. I loved the Pat Williams and Ted Washington era with London and Takeo Spikes wreaking havoc. I'd settle for a back up 1 tech if not an upgrade.

Totally reasonable take. My argument wasn't that no one was better, just that I didn't see a starting MLB. Not saying this is what happened but I have no issue with a FO admitting defeat on a guy and drafting his replacement/competition right away. Williams is raw so I don't expect he'll be playing much initally. Either way, we needed more talent at LB with the loss of Edmonds. This solves that even if the fit isn't perfect and we might have to wait a bit for the payoff.

I'm still somewhat miffed about the reaction to this pick. Who specifically did we not pick who was going to immediately solve our problem at MLB? Maybe I'm missing someone. We took a very productive player who was the best player on a good defense and who has a tantalizing athletic profile. Sometimes small school guys have untapped upside. We have a pretty good coaching staff when it comes to teaching coverage skills. And so much of picking prospects is about the quality of the individual and how much they want it. None of you guys were in the meetings or know this kid personally, I presume. You don't know that he won't be a super productive player for us in a year's time.

Our LBers could have sucked if we hadn't elected to bolster our depth so maybe we should put a little trust in McD who has demonstrated a history of knowing what he's doing on that side of the ball.

Because it's really McD's obsession.

Klein will start but I agree with the thinking that it could be Milano with Williams outside by mid season. If these guys can actually make it a battle of a lifetime maybe we won't be as screwed as everyone thinks.

I'm not sold on Bernard. If Williams beats him out at WLB then this is good value. We need more youth on our defense and linebackers who can cover is something McD really values. Teams is the bonus not the main purpose imo.

C'mon. We needed OLB who can cover too. Matt gets hurt sometimes and it isn't clear that Bernard is all that good. It's better than reaching.

This makes me feel better. We're not delusional.

We needed a MLB but we also needed guys who can cover. This kid looks like he might be able to not get smoked by TEs. Check. We're still depending way too much on AJ which is scary. Maybe Willaims will be an every down guy by mid season.

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This is what winning on draft day feels like.

Thank God. A very large human who can move people. About time.

They won't keep him on the line but why wouldn't we mix in the odd 2 TE set with these guys? That's a look we haven't had.

Kinkaid basically is a WR. Part of the reason we don't "use" Knox is because he isn't exactly our best option when split off the line. Also, we might find the offense gets tweeked to run more double TE sets which would help solve some of our OL protection issues just by virtue of more bodies being in there. Either way, having more big guys who get open and catch everything isn't usually a bad thing.

One other thing I love about this pick is Josh needs receivers who can really catch, and that sounds rather obvious but our stud QB can make things difficult sometimes for his pass catchers. This kid is going to take that issue off the table. It makes Josh even better.

How can you not be pumped about the prospect of Allen and Kincaid lighting up the AFC for the next decade. My impression is he's more WR than TE. We need to address OL. Hopefully, we can get someone good one day 2 because we need Josh to be upright to complete passes.

Most Bills fans would be happy to see Josh make a few more business decisions out there. Having said that, it'll be interesting to see what that looks like when the chips are down or things aren't going well. Josh's ability to run is what makes him special. He's going to need to make another leap as a pocket passer to get away from that run/pass threat without taking a big step down in overall effectiveness.

I can't be that mad. This team has been fraudulent most of the season, and especially since Josh hurt his elbow. We're too careless with the football. We still don't get a rush despite all those draft picks. Still can't run the ball or stop the run when it counts. Our Oline which is designed to pass block can't pass block... And yet, we're not that far away despite how this one turned out.