PetermansRedemption

You should have stopped at South Korea. You just unwillingly helped his argument by citing Germany. Germany has 82 million people, roughly one quarter of the US’ 327 million. Yet Germany has 39,502 cases. If you extrapolate that data to the US’ population figures the US would have nearly 160,000 cases. Therefore, by your own definition of doing a good job, the US is doing a phenomenal job. Because we currently only have 69,197 cases. For deaths, they are about identical figures as well. Germany has 206 deaths. Again, for a country one quarter the size of the US. If you apply that 4x multiplier they would be at 824 deaths. The US currently stands at 869. South Korea is a good example. But I doubt it’s because of their pandemic response team. I’m not versed in how many countries have them, but ask Italy, Spain, France, the UK, etc how well their pandemic response teams are helping. Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Tracker

Excellent post sir. That is exactly what I’m wondering. I see some people reported as being healthy coming ill. It’s making me wonder if healthy is simply without pre-existing conditions though. Someone could be considered “healthy” simply because they aren’t obese. But to me, my definition of healthy is not only that, but someone who exercises quite regularly, eats right, things of that nature. But, as you said; I think the data is just too new to collect these exacting variables yet.

Any idea how many did have prior conditions/risk factors? As China has the largest smoking population in the world. Accounting for 40% of all tobacco smoked in the world. It isn’t like the US is the picture of health with our obesity problem. But I do wonder, and have not been able to find, what the risk is to a totally healthy person. I’m talking 20-30, who doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink, exercises regularly, isn’t obese, and has no pre-existing conditions. I really want to see that data and have yet to find it. Especially because in America you are considered healthy if you aren’t morbidly obese. To me, healthy is exercising regularly and eating right. Most Americans definition is far different it seems. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6546632/

It does if you want any money tied to it. Sure Trump could order any industry shuttered. But he would be doing it without any economical strings. I suppose congress could address that shortly thereafter. But I don’t have much faith in them.

Which I fear won’t be anything near what would be needed for a complete, extended shutdown. We should find out sometime today.

You do realize that what you are proposing requires the power of the purse, which is controlled by Congress?

I absolutely agree. 30 days would be completely fine. How does it get accomplished legislatively though?

So, theoretically, couldn’t we manage this thing by making everyone over the age of 50 or 60 stay home? Many over the age of 60 are retired and can stay home anyways. Many, many cases under the age of 60 do not require hospitalization. While many over the age of 60 do require hospitalization. [Edit: Misleading information confusing case fatality rate statistics with morbidity (serious disease). About 20% of those infected require hospitalization, though the rate is higher in the old.) Currently in USA, 40% of those hospitalized with severe to critical illness are age 20-54. If you do the math, as the disease spreads that age range alone will exceed our hospital capacity. Plus people 50-60 include a lot of critical workers - small business owners, doctors, nurses, etc; people over 60 inevitably have some contact with others even if they do stay home.

What you say is pretty much the only way this happens. You need everyone to stop collecting payments. No car payments, mortgage payments, utilities. You would also need to make food free or pay people what they are making when they work. Needless to say all of this would require massive government intervention, the likes of which this country has never seen. It would involve overreaching in an uncountable amount of private businesses. Think of how many businesses hold mortgages, hold auto loans, how many people and companies collect rent, how many utility companies there are. I’m not sure that kind of legislation could ever be drafted and implemented inside of the constitution and framework of our government.

What I’m concerned about is the death rate. As long as we keep the death rate around that 1% mark this is a successful result. The only country that has been able to keep it that low is South Korea. China was around 3.5, Italy is around 9.5. Spain around 6.7. Iran is 7.7. Keep our number as low as the model of response so far (South Korea).

Not sure if that last sentence is sarcasm. But, please no.

Restructures to the free agent pool? Because that’s the only restructure that makes sense in today’s NFL.

Your choice of words is very interesting. To say the least. No one is banding together to kill old people ?‍♂️ Those people can still stay at home while the rest of the work force goes out. It doesn’t even matter what I say, no one is putting up with a 9 month lockdown and staying sane. And, actually, we do have a choice on the economics. You might be well off financially. Or even relatively well off. But that isn’t the case for the vast majority of Americans. And if someone has the choice of staying at home and making zero dollars to add to his mounting debt load or to go venture out and try to restart his personal economy, the choice is simple. Unless, of course, you think the country is going to go 100% socialist in the next few months? Have the government hand out food, waive rent, things of that nature. You might not realize it. But millions of American lives are going to be ruined if this drags on. I don’t see them putting up with it unless forced.

Here is my thinking, will young people really put up with that? Will he really bring in the national guard and maintain it with military policing? Will the country as a whole really stand for millions of lives being ruined financially? And a depression that will take years to claw out of? Because, in that scenario, with that timeline, that is what happens. I don’t see people under 50 who have around a 99.8% survivability rate doing that. I’m also not sure Cuomo will order troops to maintain that stay at home order at all costs. To include ticketing (people who already have nothing at that point) or arresting (and putting people in overcrowded jails).

Doc, you and I both know this thing is going to be loaded with a heck of a lot of waste and useless earmarking no matter how long they take on it.

Question on 3. How can you be so sure? First round QBs bust at a pretty good clip. Before last season Burrows wasn’t even in the discussion for first overall. It isn’t like this is a Trevor Lawrence type prospect. He hit a flash in the pan year at the right time. He may or may not become something good. There is no such thing as a sure thing when it comes to QB prospects in the NFL.

I’m pretty shocked that in such a time of need bipartisan bickering couldn’t stop for a mere day to get something done. The two party system in America truly needs to end. The divide between them has become far too great to have a functioning government.

Looks like any hope at a quick stimulus bill is crumbling currently. Schumer and Pelosi left the meeting.

Definitely a pretty fair price. Those who think it wasn’t are going off the Hopkins trade, which was just insane. If that trade never happened, a lot fewer people would be complaining about the price of acquiring Diggs.

If me bowing down had a sufficient emoji, I would input it here

Do you find it coincidental that WR’s statistically peak at age 26-28. And that in 2016 Emmanuel Sanders would have been 28? If you have some statistical information to back your position I would love to hear it.

I’m not a huge fan of his. I feel like he is in decline. Hasn’t had a 1000 yard season since 2016. Also, not everyone is Tom Brady, Brees could very likely have a decline this year.

Imagine being the person who, while the world is falling apart, has their top priority as criticizing music.

Especially his spleen

They use the North Korea method of accounting for negativity