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If Allen wins the qb competition, he is used to not having talent around him. Hopefully the offense suprises, and the line steps up. The receivers will be an upgrade regardless. If nothing else they catch balls thrown to them. Allen has shown he can manage a game. His last OC wouldn't give up too much control. One can't argue with the results, they got 8 wins doing it through ball control. The only losses Allen had were Iowa, Oregon, and Boise State. And the only game they were out of was the Oregon game. Right after Wyoming played Oregon they lost their qb and running back. Both will be playing on Sundays. Like Taggart or not, he put together a good team to start the season. It amazes me how many on this board want to talk football, but few understand the college game, little alone the NFL game. It is a sports board, so I guess everyone's opinion starts out the same. As much as everyone thinks they know what is going to happen, most have no clue. I started out wanting Allen to sit and learn, but I don't know how he learns the best. It will be up to the coaching staff to figure out. Part of me wants him to play because if he doesn't, people will say he couldn't beat out a career backup. But if he does, then maybe the offense isn't ready to support a rookie qb. I feel he has the "it" factor. Time will tell. I only saw one game where he lost it. Wyoming was down by 7 to Nebraska starting the 4th quarter. Allen hit a receiver in the hands that bounced off and got intercepted. He was then down 2 scores and was trying to make something happen. He ended up forcing it and throwing a few more interceptions. It was the only time Allen let the game get away from him. And that was the 2nd game of his sophomore season. He seemed to learn a big lesson from it and has never come close to repeating it. Take it for what it is worth. I feel he learned a big lesson from it. When Allen makes mistakes, he usually doesn't make that same mistake again. He is a fast learner.

Finally someone with a little intelligence. Too many people trying to put Allen in a slot. Great post.

This is where either your ignorance, or or laziness to actually research the subject is coming back to bite you in the ass. For starters Allen was the consensus qb to be the MVP. Once people saw what he had to work with and how poor our offense was they couldn't give it to him. Someone as dense as you won't try and comprehend why his numbers were what they were, so I am not even going to try and get it across to you. Rypien is in an offense that posts big numbers every year. They have great coaching year in and out. Rypiens arm is good enough for college, but he will never be anything but a guy who is a backup in the NFL. Rypien also had to share qb duties with a grad transfer. The grad transfer beat Wyoming with his legs. Not Rypien and his arm. Allen and Wyoming were beating them at BSU going into the 4th quarter. Allen and Wyoming beat them the year before. Harkins og BSU is one of the best coaches in FBS football. I do believe the other qb to beat him out was the kid from Fresno State. Allen was hurt and never got to play against him. Fresno had a great defense, and is known for recruiting qb's. Ever hear of the Carr brothers, Trent Diller and others? Probably not. Why should anyone take your word about the biggest mistake in the draft? What are your credentials? Other than one more goober who thinks he knows football, you have none. He throws hard? Is that the best you can do? Laughable. For a guy that doesn't have a clue to the meaning of pessimistic, I am supposed to read your garbage and believe it? When you had to go back and look up the word pessimistic, you lost me. How come you leave out things like his bowl game, the Senior Bowl, the combine? Because it doesn't fit your agenda. So what big word are you going to use this time that you don't know the meaning of? Try the word comprehension. Lmao.

The thread is asking if Allen starts? So it is natural to assume he meant Allen. But not when one has an agenda I guess.

Elway lived off of the TE out in the flats after he rolled away from the play action. Be it a running back or tight end or slot back, just have a relief valve for him.

I would like to see a coaching staff that could play to his strengths. I think that is where it starts and ends with Allen. I have already seen 2 years of run on first and second down, and then have him throw on third and long with pressure coming most every time. I would have loved to have seen a team drop 9 against him and watched him pick it apart or use his legs to get 1st downs. I saw too many series end up stalled from poor play calling and no run game. In Allens first year he had Brian Hill to hand off to. If Hill would have played as a senior he could have been the NCAA all time rushing leader, or at least in the top 3. And all we did was hand off to him, and it would be off tackle 90% of the time. Our OC does not know how to make other teams guess which play he will call. He is very predictable. And I have no clue as to why. Which made it harder on the whole offense, including Allen. If Bohl would quit being loyal to Vigen, Wyoming would win 10 plus games a year. How Vigen has gotten Allen and Wentz drafted in the 1st round is beyond me. I am praying this staff uses Allen's strengths and can put together an offense where he can bring out the best in his offensive players. Allen is used to the worst, so it shouldn't be too hard.

Goes back to the theory of bad news travels a lot quicker and farther than good news. Especially when people have an agenda to fill.

You are an Allen hater and have proven time after time. You come on here like a peacock telling everyone how you watched Josh Allen play and that you knew it all. Or at least that is how I took your post. I watched him in person a lot. Plus 2 bowl games. The BYU game was played in a monsoon in the 1st half. If you actually knew how our OC handled Allen , you wouldn't pop off about stats and other things. This part gets old by here we go again. Wyoming ran the ball a lot. The other team knew what we were going to run. The OC was expecting Allen to bail him out on 3rd and long. The defense brought pressure, played an 8 man front. They jammed our receivers early, took away the screen. Our OC had very few pass patterns across the middle, so that would take 1/3 of Allens field away. Our routes were simple, our receivers couldn't get seperation. So it was thread the needle or throw it over the top of the defense or on the outside of the shoulder. When you watched Wyoming, did you see our converted middle linebacker playing running back? Did you watch him run ? He ran the ball straight up. And he was 6 '1", and didn't get any pass routes out of the backfield. Did you see our fullback? He got 1 carry all year. That was in the bowl game. I could go on like this all day with the offense. Our line, 2 freshman, 2 sophomores, 1 senior for starters. Our receivers continually came up short on 1st downs, knowing we needed the yards. If Allen was chased out of the pocket, they stood and watched. They quit on their routes about half the time. They didn't block. No speed, unimaginative routes by the OC. Our OC is not an FBS coach. Half of the offensive coaches should have stayed at NDSU. Allen actually learned a lot between his 1st and 2nd year. I will be the first to admit he didn't look very good until the Air Force Game. It just wasn't the same old Josh. He was trying to play the way the OC wanted him to. He was trying to cover for how bad the offense really was. He probably shouldn't have even come back for his junior year. But he knew he wasn't ready. He still isn't, but his skills are. Lucky for everyone that he is a very fast learner. I like Bills fans. A hell of a lot better than Cleveland fans by a longshot. Those guys think they went 16-0 last year the way they talk. I would have preferred Allen went to a more stable team, but it is what it is. Most of the guys on here have accepted he is the qb, then we have guys like you. Stomping their feet because he wasn't the guy you wanted. All I can tell you is give him a chance, he is a winner. It might not always be pretty , but the results are good if the deck isn't stacked. There are some chapters in the book that aren't so great, but it is a great read for the most part. Get on board is all I can tell you .

Give Allen some tools and see what he can do. No one ever stops and looks how the other qbs would do playing for Wyoming. It is a good thing Allen was so durable. Rosen playing behind Wyoming line is laughable. How about you showing the data? Just so you know, anyone can make stats fit their agenda.

So now Rosen will be Brady because he is scrawny? That is a big reach. That is like saying wasn't Big Ben tall coming out of college? It has nothing to do with it.

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You really are clueless. Allen played in a run first, offense. They were running clock to shorten the game. You watched 6 games on You Tube and are an expert? I watched 20 games in person, the rest on tv. I saw what other teams were doing. How predictable his OC was. You are a terrible source. Keep talking and someday soon you will be the Bills new OC. NOT.!!!!!!!!

The good thing is you can throw out fake news now or just pretend you know someone in the front office. If people would put in as much effort in supporting their players as they do hating them, imagine how much of a confidence builder they could be with Allen.

Keeping onto all that negativity is only hurting you. He has seen enough pressure coming at him to get through the next 4 seasons. He will be just fine. Chillax, you will live longer.?

One little fact you are leaving out, if his team was that much inferior to the Power 5 schools, how do you compare him? Common sense dude, try it sometime. Do you even read what you type?

You wouldn't know the truth it if waylayed you. Go ahead, post some numbers and support your theory. He was in a run first offense. He didn't get to pad his stats. Look at his record. He won 8 games while sitting out 2 and a half games. If he wouldn't have gotten hurt he would have won 10 games. States don't show how a person plays. Maybe actually watch some games and understand what the reasons for his stats are. But lazy posters would rather throw out easy posts, but can't defend their posts. You sound like a bandwagon type, you will jump on soon enough. Until then, wallow in the fact he is your quarterback. I am loving it.

But you read about Allens quotes and any person with moderate unbiased coping skills could figure out it wasn't racist. Maybe you could be the one looking at it racially and trying to project your feeling onto team members. This kid isn't racist. I hope you aren't either. No reason for it.

I went back right away and deleted the Trump thing, but not quick enough. I forgot no politics allowed. Sorry about that. Just trying to make a point about the media.

If it is good news, bury it. If it is negative, exploit it. And there you have it. Haters gonna hate.

Wyoming never failed to score in the red zone all year except for one time against New Mexico. They had a 40 point lead and Allen was sitting. The backup got them in the red zone and Wyoming was trying to run the clock out without scoring. They ended up giving it up on downs. If not for that Wyoming would have been perfect in the red zone as far as scoring. Bohl is a classy coach and didn't run the score up even though New Mexico ran the score up on Wyoming the year before.

Are you sure Walsh didn't quote Justice...The Quarterback Whisperer.

Maybe have Justice check out his throwing motion and get his input. Or maybe he will just pop in anyway.

If the Bills play defense as hard as Justice, we will be great. That daffy fellow has it stuck in his noggin that everyone should run timing passes out their ying yangs. He doesn't understand that if the receiver can't get seperation, there is no timing route. Just because it is a timing route, then the receiver automatically gets open? This guy is a wannabe qb coach. Maybe the Bills can hire him to help get that New England offense in, and he can take over showing Allen what he is doing wrong. Lmfao. I can see it now, Justice tells Palmer to move over. That he is starting up the Justice Throwing Academy. Kind of like the Manning Camp, but with a better coach and probably player. He will tell all qbs to concentrate on timing passes, and don't hold that ball back behind your head. And done. Forget that Allen had as fast as a release time as Aaron Rodgers. Threw faster and harder than anyone else has been recorded at. Justice is now the official qb guru of Bill Nation. Whether we want him or not. Because he keeps bouncing back faster than a kick me dog.

It was at LAX, hardly constitutes a fan. More like a guy trying to get autographs to sell online. And it wasn't like it was a little kid.

Finally, some people are starting to understand about Allen and who he is. He didn't ask for the scrutiny and wasn't out there begging for attention. The kidoctor has been fun to watch. He has grown in the two years I have watched him. His film shows he regressed, but you have to understand the film and what the circumstances were . It was like he was playing with one hand tied behind his back because of the OC. It seems like the OC kept putting him in 3rd and long situations expecting Allen to bail him out. All the while the opposing team would pin back their ears and bring the heat. If the play calling would have mixed it up and kept the defense back on their feet, Allen could have put up better numbers. But when a qb is used mainly to hand the ball off on the first two downs, it makes it tough to move the ball.