BB@Shooter

There are a lot of things that don't indicate a future NFL career, but you guys bring them up all the time. I see some of the stupidest arguments on here. I watched Allen play in person at least 16 times, I think I have a pretty good feel for what he can and can't do. Having talent around him at the Senior Bowl helped his confidence. The guy is more accurate than you guys give him credit for. Watching him on TV does not show what he really faced. You need to see it live to understand.

And if Allen did poorly in that game I am sure you wouldn't use that as ammo against him. Lol. You guys kill me.

Allen only missed the 2nd half of the Air Force game, and then all of the Fresno and San Jose State game. Allen got hurt the 1st game of his sophomore season. And was out for the year. He got a medical redshirt for that year. So you can't count those games against him. I guess it comes down to how many games or plays did Rosen sit out due to injuries. So state how many games you think Rosen sat out? I guarantee you Allen sat out very few plays due to injury. And will also state he is much more durable than Rosen. I would have loved to see Rosen play behind the Wyoming line. He would have quit and joined the tennis team after the first game. For some lame reason you keep trying to infer that Rosen is more durable than Allen. At least that is the only reason I can think of why you would repeatedly post that same statement over and over. I guarantee you Allen is a hard man to bring down. Rosen is more refined as a qb, but Allen is improving daily.

Misleading. Allen got hurt in his 1st game and sat out the seson his sophomore year. He only missed 2 and a half games after that. And then came back and played in the bowl game to end his career. Fake news.

You don't seem to have a clue about Allen and why his stats are the way they are. You are guessing about what was good and bad for him at Wyoming. First off he was in a run first offense. They ran on 1st and 2nd down religiously. That usually left him with a 3rd and long situation going against an 8 man front. And then comes the blitz. He didn't have time to throw deep unless he scrambled and extended the play. His OC was predictable, so no flow to the offense. All of this will put him ahead of other qbs because he has seen it all. People like you read he had a low completion rate, you don't delve into why. Allens HC and OC had Wentz at NDSU, so they leaned on both qbs to manage clock and shorten the game. Let the Defense carry the water behind a running game. You have no clue about his receivers and their routes. The coaching staff didn't build the offense around Allen, they made him adapt to the offense and waited for him to bail them out. I am not going to get too deep into all of this because I have already done it in other posts. All you need to do is watch the 1st quarter of his bowl game, and the 2nd half of the senior bowl. That is vintage Allen. You underestimate him like so many others. He can sit or play, but I think he gives the Bills the best shot at winning if their D is fairly good.

Zero....I saw Allen in person in 16 games or somewhere like that. And the rest on TV. I have seen every BYU qb come through the last 30 years. I saw both Carr's and Dilfer in person. I saw Dalton and Smith in person. In other words I have seen a lot off qb's in my years. That is just the tip of the iceberg. I would like to see Allen play, but know that sitting him would be best. He is used to poor line play and below average receivers, so he can probably handle what is thrown at him. I would have loved to see Mahomes try and play at Wyoming, it would have been hysterical. People need to let it go until he is in pads, then you will see the leadership and toughness. The guy knows how to win. He put those Wyoming teams on his back and carried them. Old hat to him.

Whatever you are smoking, I want some. Lol.

Brady is good, not saying he isn't. Just a few missing pieces makes a huge difference. An easy example is Dallas last year and this year. Very few different pieces, big difference in outcome.

Allen ran out of a pro style offense. He had to read defenses. He called a lot of plays at the line of scrimmage under center. Do you even know what type of offense Cardale ran? A small hint, Urban Meyers. Cardale mostly ran option. I watched Meyer at all of his stops. Especially Utah,Florida, and Ohio State. They ran a veer at times, but Meyer is definitely a college coach. Ohio State can surround a qb with walk ons, you can't begin to compare the two. I for one was suprised Jones even got drafted. Or did he? Lol.

You guys act like having offensive weapons and a good defense doesn't matter, only the qb does. Football is a team game. I don't see Brady or anyone else throwing and catching the ball for 5,000 yards. They need a team , offensive coordinator, etc, to make it all come together.

Are you still drunk, or has the rot gut whiskey begun to shut down your mind?

What qb doesn't have to beat the odds? Any idea the odds are of a qb coming out of college to make it as a franchise qb? I have a pretty good idea because so many don't make it. First rounder or not.

Then why is it that their system allows different qbs to step in and excel? It has been that way for years.

First off, don't change my quote to fit what you want to say. It is complete bull. I read the same meaningless crap you read. But I didn't read into it what you did because I don't crawl up a reporters butt and believe any slanted version they are selling. Now run Peterman and McCarron with the threes and see if their stats will look as good. See if their receivers are making them look good with their experience and talent. In case you didn't know, veterans could help settle Allen down if he needed it. You also don't know from reading the little bit we both read, if they are running check downs or throwing to wide open receivers to get their stats to look good. In fact, from reading these blurbs and not seeing anything in person, you actually know very little, only what the writer wants you to know. So until you can honestly compare all three fairly, you are guessing. And I guarantee Allen will extend plays like Elway did , giving him one more edge to go along with his ability to throw in tight spaces, throw it on a rope to receivers, and throw it over the defense. All the while using his legs to get valuable yards. Allens athleticism will start showing up even more once the pads go on. He has more tools to move the ball down the field than the other two. Just like your words, and opinion, we all have to wait and see. You and all these so called reporters are nothing more than people throwing out their opinions, but you all think people should hang their hat on them. I for one do not. Stats are for sissies. Or can't I say sissies on here? Will this also get moderated off of here?

And what about when his mechanics are bad and he is perfectly on? Or when they are good and he is on? You make it sounds like he hits the bench with every other throw. Why not wait to see him throw the ball and use that? Or does that make too much sense? To actually see if he is better than what your mind has conjured up? Instead of taking information you selectively used to push your agenda? Their are professionals out there that are saying he will be very good, or has a chance at it. I watched Lombardi break down Allens film. Is the guy on downers or something? That was hard to get through. Why did you leave out the good stuff Lombardi had to say? Oh right, it didn't fit your agenda. Funny how that works. I don't recall watching Walkman break down Allen, I will have to look for that. Why can't you guys wait to see Allen in person? You are only taking the information ou there that is negative and using it. Poor way of doing it, especially when he is a Bill. Wouldn't it be better if he suprised you and made the Bills better?

Exactly. How come we get no detailed report on any of the other qbs? Hmmmm....... I see Allen as doing what is expected, more or less. And then I see a bunch of guys with too much time on their hands who act like they are part of the staff throwing out opinions on how he looks. None of the guys cutting on him have ever seen him throw a pass in person, little alone in camp. But they are all wannabe experts. Self anointed know it alls. Makes me giggle reading them puff up and throw out their "professional " opinions. Most laughable. These types just need to practice what they preach, give themselves time to actually watch him themselves, and then give out an opinion. But you can't fix stupid. Not that I am calling anyone in particularly stupid, maybe their thoughts though.

Yip yip yip, little doggie.?

Because of the irony , "dummy". Are you one of those kick me dogs that follow a guy around from post to post? Yip yip yippying away ? What a tool. I am sure you will keep impressing with that marvelous wit you think you have, but don't. All I hear is you going yip yip yip yip yip yip yip..........

Mute is exactly what I put in there on purpose Joker. Get a life dude. Did that hit a little too close to home for you? Nice try on trying to be an English major. A role losers have to fulfill when they can't come up with better. Anyone who reads your posts can see how negative you are in 90% of them. Again, get a life. You sure do turn tail quickly. A lovely trait by the way. Toodles, and don't stay up all night on here, we want you to be fresh and ready when the Bills call you up to coach the qbs. Lmfao.

Wrong again, he has been working with all three units. And you can't compare just because you say you can. It is your opinion, nothing else. Going with the threes all the time will never let you compare them fairly one way or another. If the Bills other two qbs never run with the threes then you don't know if they would look better or worse than Allen. Until then your point is mute. And I was replying to everything above. Not pointed at one individual. I initially read it as one thread and posted, realizing it after I posted. So hopefully no one gets their titties twisted over it like so many do on this board. Not enough facts on here, too many people reading way too much into most everything. And then I get drawn into it and start acting like some of the other posters on here that have no life. I would rather go back to posting things I believe are pertinent. I made a mistake and started this thread, baptism by fire I guess. I forgot how many on here want to dissect the living crap out of everything and anything on here. Too many hostile people who don't have a life want to suck the life out of new blood on here, talking Allen on here. Kind of odd no one goes after McCarron on here. I suppose once they get tired of Allen they will.

Are you frigging serious? You are already spouting off things saying Allen has all these different problems to fix. Are you going off of jr. high, high school, Jr college, his two years at Wyoming, his Senior Bowl, his combine, his rookie camp, or the OTA's? What I don't get is why isn't he being judged by what he has done in rookie camp and OTA's, why do you bring up before that? Maybe because then you couldn't dig up enough dirt to cause a stir on here? They are practicing in shorts for beginners. He is playing with the 3rd string by design, so you can't compare him to anyone else. There is not a big enough sample size to go off of. Why not save your agenda until they are all going live in pads with the offense put in? You come on here throwing crap against the wall to see who will buy it. You didn't want them to draft Allen but it is too bad, sh#t happens. So sit back, grind your teeth some more and pray Allen gets hurt I guess. He will be starting before the season is up. Barring injury I guarantee it. And like I said, judge him by how he competes as a Bill. At this point he has done just fine as far as I am concerned. If the people you listen to say different, I would quit listening to them or you will get a rude awakening when he is running with the first team. So start getting used to Allen being the man.

Yet Allen is having worse workouts for some reason. Not flat out being said, but certainly implied in my opinion. And people keep bringing up Allen running the 3rd team. So he should do better because he is working with new guys who won't make him look better or know their routes better? Yes he is going against lesser competition, but he is also competing with lesser competition. So you can't compare him to other qbs. In Rookie camp he didn't even get to take the first snaps. A free agent did. The Bills are making sure that Allen and everyone else knows he has to earn his way up. But the camp against Allen doesn't bring any of this into the equation. I will be the 1st person to say I am biased. But all these posters who aren't in Allens corner will use every bit of ammo to further their agenda. That is a fact. I love how they always put an asterisk in saying how they want him to do well. Then post any hint they can that he is going to be a flop. That is a true Bill fan for you. Fans like that, who needs trolls. How come none of the media are bring up as little as possible about the other two qbs on the team? I think we would hear if they were blowing everyone out of the water. You guys act like Sal is a god, it makes me laugh. Media people are not real high on my list. They get street cred by trying to make people look bad, or take quotes out of context on purose to make a story swing their way. Not a fan whether it is good or bad about my guy. I just want the real story. I don't need someone to pump up a player or team, just report the facts. Something the media knows little about. I love it that they drafted Allen. It is like McDermott crapped in a lot of guys Wheaties that day. A little advice for you boys and girls, get used to it because Allen will be the man regardless of your stats and the media stirring the pot. I am eating it up.

No, but not be biased against the team either. And maybe try and come up with some original reporting instead of repeating each other over and over. The media in general are lazy, . They don't care if their story is correct, and mostly care about who they can get to click on their site so theey can get more readership and picked up by bigger media outlets. Too often they only care about being first, not about content or if it is accurate. It used to be the media didn't report the "news" until they had their sources verified. Nowadays sources could be someone walking by in a Bills cap.

I probably used a poor example , but all the stories of his inaccuracy has been building up. Saying I need help is a stretch, maybe you should join the media in Buffalo.? One more poster overreacting. And I know he doesn't throw half of his passes in the dirt or the media would say it was every pass in the dirt but one. Plus I read everything that gets pUT out there and they have been giving his completion numbers in some of the articles. Try and find many articles where the media doesn't bring up inaccuracies. Especially if the article is more than a short tweet or blurb.

I don't feel it is the fans fault for losing respect for their team, but when you get new owners and management in I feel they deserve a chance. I understand why it would be hard. I have been watching some of the most negative posters on here and they mostly just come on here to argue about anything and everything. Some actually have a point from time to time, but far and few between. I am definitely an Allen fan and have tried to reasonably show why I feel he will be better than average. And now I see why a lot of the negative posters try and find anything to further their agenda. The article I mentioned was one of the milder ones out there. But I think the Buffalo media doesn't mention inaccuracy in a post, that they will lose half their audience. I don't see where Allen has been any worse than any of the other top 5 taken. But reading the different takes you would think he throws half of his passes in the dirt. There are a lot of people going to be eating crow when Allen gets done. And I am not talking about the pro Allen crowd. And it will take a few more years to finish the rebuild, but I feel the Bills staff is doing it correctly by putting out a good defense first. It just hardly ever works by trying to build the offense and defense equally at the same time. So whoever quarterbacks the Bills this year is going to struggle regardless.