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The Giants would be getting absolutely fleeced haha No chance they’d go for this.

I should say… I’m not REALLY an advocate and of this. Although I absolutely am in love with Sauce Gardner I’d actually like to move out of RD1 unless surprise guy falls to 25. I just don’t love the value there.

We could possibly get up to 7… framework would be somewhat similar to the Bills/Chiefs trade in 2017. For reference that was… 2017 1st (27th) 2017 3rd (91st) 2018 1st FOR 2017 1st (10th) If we did something like… 2022 1st (25th) 2022 3rd (89th) 2023 1st FOR 2022 1st (7th) You get pretty close on the trade chart… 1500 in exchange for 1200… not quite there yet. That’s where the veteran comes in… kick in a guy like Moss to make it work?

Rumor is the Giants want to move back. I don’t think we get all the way up to 7… but maybe they decide to move back twice to try an accumulated ammo for a QB in 2023. Say 7 to 15 and then 15 to 25? Completely spitballing.

Barkley is the practice squad arm… I don’t think anyone realistically believe he will be on the 53-man roster. He’s there to provide some form of competition for Keenum and is very well-liked in the locker room. There’s literally ZERO harm to bringing him in. It’s really not a big deal… at all…

Haha yes, there is a chasm of difference. That being, one of us has a clue what they're talking about. (Hint: It's not the guy from Right to Censor)

My direct tie to the 3 other Major Pro sports with very similar free agent market structures (NHL, NBA, MLB) was described by you as irrelevant to the discussion. Now you’re out here in the same breath talking about buying art, cars and collectibles?

That wasn’t the overall point, he was a young player on a “rookie deal” that decided to sign an extension FAR BELOW market value for the sake of long term security because the team that had him under control for 2-3 more years offered it to him and he wanted security. Players started leaving the agent… he allowed a player to value long term security and take a team friendly deal. The MLBPA hated that… players hated it… it’s the same across sports. Your interpretation of the point is somewhat correct.

I’m not talking about the process and how players view reaching free agency. Man… you’re tough. You don’t need to know a thing about NBA or MLB… it’s an anecdote. Really convenient you just ignored the part of my post that went into that. Good thing I can just copy and paste… Unless you’re a Josh Allen who is getting a record setting contract… the medium and low tier guys need other teams to drive up their prices. TLDR: Top end guys end up resetting the market or slotting in around a handful of guys making the most money at their position. These guys reset the market… everyone is happy. Agents, players and teams. Medium to low tier guys are all bunched together… it’s harder for players/agents/teams to determine their true value without the market. Those players don’t want to go without the presence of other parties bidding on their services. If these guys forgo free agency, they run the risk of contributing to deflating prices for themselves and future players.

Let me tell you a story for example… tell me if this makes you think players value long-term security over getting paid. Baseball player for the Atlanta Braves at 22 years old signed a 7 year/$35M extension. Buying out all of his arbitration seasons and couple free agent years at a fixed price. Obviously valuing short term security over long term payout. He’s one of the few young players in baseball to take a deal like this… That agent who represented the player, lost several big time clients after the fact because they felt like he ruined other players chances in the future for a big pay day. He ended up having to beg some of his other clients who were debating leaving to stay. Plenty of players felt like he was negligent in allowing his client to accept a deal like that. The MLPA, NFLPA, NBAPA… they all HATE ***** like this. Agents would find themselves out of business if they started allowing players to forgo any opportunity to test the open market… and most players would be dumb not to. Unless you’re a Josh Allen who is getting a record setting contract… the medium and low tier guys need other teams to drive up their prices. TLDR: Top end guys end up resetting the market or slotting in around a handful of guys making the most money at their position. These guys reset the market… everyone is happy. Agents, players and teams. Medium to low tier guys are all bunched together… it’s harder for players/agents/teams to determine their true value without the market. Those players don’t want to go without the presence of other parties bidding on their services. If these guys forgo free agency, they run the risk of contributing to deflating prices for themselves and future players.

Generally, players show they want long-term security more than they want to hit free agency. It's why so many players are upset to play under the franchise tag (despite it being more money), 5th year options, and push for deals with the highest possible guaranteed money. Of course Bates wont just accept any offer we throw at him, but when you have exclusive rights to negotiate, you can leverage your sales and negotiation skills to make him feel like this is the right place to be and you can do it without any competition or outside interference. It takes less than zero skill to let him go get the best offer he can get and just agree to match it. The only time there should really be an exception to this is if Bates really didn't want to be here and the only way you could keep him was matching his contract. It is a little funny they went through with the formal offer sheet process, when his agent just could have let Beane know what it was going to take once they saw what was out there in the market. The bolded is where I’m going to tell you you’re flat out incorrect and you will not win that argument. I have conversations with professional athletes every day of my life - they want to reach free agency. They strive to get the opportunity to reach the open market. They’re upset to play under the tag because they’re not allowed to test free agency and have other teams bargain for their services. It’s essentially being a RFA but with more money for 1 season. The franchise tag is so expensive to dissuade teams from preventing a player from reaching FA and to properly compensate players who do end up getting tagged. It all comes back to guys wanting to negotiate with other teams to see what they’re really worth. The NFLPA isn’t putting these things in place during CBA negotiations because they’re thinking about “long term security” they’re trying to create decisions that get players on the open market as soon as possible.

When a depth player gets significantly hurt with a team - that team will generally re-sign them so that they can have access to coaches, doctors , S&C and facilities they otherwise wouldn’t have access to. It’s just the right thing to do.

This is a serious statement… can you, in your own words, please explain to me the Restricted Free Agency process. Lay out how it all works, discuss trends, etc.

You realize that Ryan Bates and his agent have to to accept any sort of extension offered to them, right? This isn’t the reserve clause era of baseball where the team can just keep deciding to re-up a player year after year. Player want to reach free agency…

Let me rephrase. Star is done playing. Star is not incapable of playing. Also, are you implying I was in the camp of “people can’t understand his value” ? @BADOLBILZ

Most free agents want to see what they’re worth on the open market. Getting to free agency is a HUGE deal for players. It’s, in most cases, their only chance to make life (generation) changing wealth. It doesn’t matter if it’s RFA of UFA… any chance to have multiple parties lobbying for your services gives them an outstanding opportunity to make more money. So yes, nobody is making Bates an offer at greater than $4M/year in return for a RD2 pick. Bates gladly signs his RFA tender for 1 year, starts for a Super Bowl contenders and waits to see what the market looks like next year… where he’s not inhibited at all by the RFA process. Meaning the highest bidder has the best chance. The point being, RFA more often than not don’t sign long term extensions with their original team after accepting the 1 year tender, because they want to reach FA. The time to get a long term deal worked out was before the RFA tender was given… after it’s given you’re most likely not inking a guy to a long term deal. Your point about us “not being able to make an offer on our terms” and being at the mercy of the “highest bidder” is just wrong. That opportunity was BEFORE the tender was placed.

$3.98M for 1 year. Then he'd be a UFA next season with a good chance he gets a bigger deal than he did here.

I could see Klein, Williams and (longest shot) Hughes back in Buffalo on cheap deals at some point. Sanders is done. Star is done. Beasley signs after the draft with a contender. GB makes some sense? Addison signs after the draft.

“Contracts get done when they’re supposed to get done.” It’s the 2nd time Beane has said something like this when asked about Diggs. It sounds a lot like “when not if” when it comes to Diggs.

After you questioned the move… The way you phrased your comment was implying the move was bad.

Well then how can you make educated comments about the process that Beane went through? I’m not faulting you for not spending time and effort to understand it. I’m addressing the fact you feel the need to comment on the decision making without understanding the process. But that’s not how it works…

Why would Ryan Bates accept an offer when he’d have the option to head to a (semi) open market and get other teams to drive the price up ? That’s just bad business on his end. I don’t think you’re understanding how this process works…

Your critical thinking skills are MUCH appreciated!

Lol nope… he very clearly wanted Bates long term.

Well considering a team thought he was worth a little over $4M this year and we believe he’s an ascending player… who is to say he doesn’t get more money on the open market next season if he plays the way we believe he will? It’s funny that so many people are struggling to grasp exactly what happened here with Bates.