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I give him until the end of the summer before he pulls an Evander Kane on Chippewa.

Yep, appreciate the info. Russell Wilson had some accuracy issues his 1st 3 years at NC State before transferring to Wisconsin. Wilson must've fixed something or did he just have a better set of receivers or throw shorter passes @ Wisconsin ? Stafford improved by almost 10 percentage points from soph to senior. Allen is coming out a year early, so we'll never know how his senior year might have been. If Allen throws 500 passes in a year in the NFL, to go from 56 to 60% is 20 more completions. I'd like to think an NFL team with better receivers might help those numbers. I'd be equally concerned with Allen's ability to read defenses and avoid interceptions.

He said it's up to Allen to fix hi footwork issues here ... mechanics in any sport can be fixed with enough proper reps. See pro golf as an example. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/05/13/greg-gabriel-breaking-down-wyoming-qb-josh-allen/a3yfeoe/

Maybe so, but immature is immature. He might grow out of that type of behavior, but he might not given a wheelbarrow full of cash. Rosen has a sense of entitlement with the lineage he has, hot tub in the dorm room, yard decorations, etc. All of that crap may be fine at the college level, but might not fly in the pros. I don't see it from Darnold or Allen.

I don't want any QB with a personality remotely similar to Johnny Manziel, be it Rosen or Mayfield. Behind Baker ... seriously from a guy who's never played a game in the NFL ?

Not sure it applies to Rosen, but something to be said for having a secure financial future whether you make it or not in the NFL.

I'm betting bust - wait until that personality meets a little cash. Buffalo ain't big enough for Broadway Baker.

I'm in the minority here, but I like Allen and think he can be a good if not great QB at the NFL level. Folks say you can't teach throwing mechanics at the NFL level but I disagree. You change patterns with repetitive work and maybe his change is minor. Pro golfers do it all the time - look at how many times Tiger Woods has changed his swing. Matthew Stafford has made the adjustment just fine and improved his accuracy. I'd rather have the humble farm kid from the small town with the big upside than Baker Manziel ( I need a reality pre-draft show), or Josh "Hot Tub" Rosen who's a big head hit from being out of the league, or small hands whirlybird Darnold who has not played much in crappy weather.

Did you say Marino could be Staubach ? So do I and I can see him backing up Keenum for a couple of years in Denver. Yep, same impressionable kid.

Except the QB class of 2019 is not shaping up like this year's ... so why not take Rosen now ?

And I share your opinion exactly.

Not in my mind ... height, arm, mobility, big hands. Allen ran a 4.6 40 so he's got speed.

Maybe, but not all hope is gone as we remember Warner, Russell Wilson, Brady, Prescott & others. Maybe ... I guess it's depends on how much of himself Elway sees in Josh Allen.

I don't think any of those will be in play. IMO, Darnold goes #1, Rosen #2 to the Giants, Mayfield #3 to the Jets, and Allen #5 to the Broncs.

True, but that was before the microscope that is social media. Mayfield just seems like a good fit for the crassness that seems to come with Jets fans.

Broadway Baker is a perfect fit for the Jets. I'm not sure Buffalo is big enough for his ego.

And could with the other big 3 as well - none of them has played as the NFL level.

And how would anyone on this board know if Allen needs 3 years to develop outside of wild guesses ?

See Aaron Rodgers

I'd take Bradford off the list - someone just paid the bust $20 mil.

Allen reminds a lot of people of Elway. Big arm, mobile, and loads of upside and raw talent. Folks forget Elway had a shaky first year in Denver. Allen may be the same but it'll be fun watching him develop.

Funny thing is that if Allen was around 60% in college, this board would be slobbering all over him.

Jury's out on whether Jackson is a better passer than Tyrod whose NFL stats are not bad at all.

Steelers would have to move up and do they have enough draft capital to make it happen ?

If it's Rosen, I have a big issue with trading three #1s for a guy that's is possibly one more concussion from being out of the league. Especially when his dad is a doctor and would probably advise him to hang it up. And I'm aware there are varying levels of concussions, but there has to be some cumulative effect and possibility of CTE.