Tyrod's friend

Not to use a truism we all know, but there is some distance between a controversy among fans and in the clubhouse. And when fans say things like "he's only been in town for a few months" ... I think they vastly underestimate the messages that the office is trying to send to players. There is a larger conversation that is going on between the HC and the players and it speaks to things like continuity of message. Note: their message is not necessarily the same as the one in Buffalo ("we earn things around here"). Cheers.

Here is a bet: I'm betting somewhere between now and the end of this football season, SI runs an article about the ratio of turnovers to touchdowns/likely victories in the NFL, using Tyrod Taylor w/Cleveland and Buffalo without Tyrod Taylor as the basis for the case study. And I'm betting that the odds of that article running triples if Josh Allen starts in Buffalo before game 4. I'll go one further: I'm betting you see something like that article from ... let's say every GD'd football outlet in football until you are so sick of it ... that it makes whatever MMQB just vomited on it's page in order to seem relevant is a distant memory. It might surprise people in Buffalo, but Cleveland wants to go to the playoffs this year. Tyrod gives them not a good chance, but an excellent chance to do that. Hue Jackson's stand is proper and reasoned. There is no reason to create a QB controversy where one doesn't exist. Unless of course it's so MMQB can get more clicks. PS: I'm easily the biggest Mayfield fan here and called him to be the #1 draft pick long before it was fashionable, and regardless of my online name I'm not THAT big a fan of Tyrod Taylor.

Some crazy "what-if" but it's a cold Saturday so I'll play along ... My presumption is that the OP wants us to walk away from this without White, and Cleveland is willing to make that trade even-up. I won't debate whether or not they've fired their GM after that decision, or whether Beane is the kind of wheeler dealer to draft a success then trade it immediately, but ... 4, Josh Allen (QB for CB) 12, DB of various names - Ward, Minkah, James, Alexander, whomever I don't care 16, Trumaine, LB 53, I'm willing to say the Bills move up 14 spots and get the likes of Daniels, C. It's a cheap move. 56, WR (Washington, DJC?) OT (Brown?O'Neill?) (personally, I'd be in a whole different direction and I think Beane would too. He'd take Trumaine at 12, keep 22 - maybe move up a little bit for a DB like Hughes/Alexander and then use 65 on some very, very sweet talent at the top of the 3rd round.) Anyways ... all of that, for Tre White? GTFO here. All day, all day long. White is promising. A fine CB. But Tre White is not worth the 4th, 53rd and 56th pick in the draft. What the GM does isn't part of my equation. Cheers, A

doesn't seem to be much "tight" in his "end". Like most, a glorified big WR ... but good hands, yes. He might be a "friend", but anybody that loves A-E would hate what TT calls fashion. A-E = O'Connell, Lucas & Chelf. Strictly old school. TT = "look at me!"

I've got .. must be at least a half dozen pair. Maybe more. Love me some Allen Edmonds shoes.

thinking this is lost on most of the people here.

? I don't care what you were talking about, and whether or not he was rebutting you. On their own, it was a good commentary on Josh Allen.

I'm not a huge guy for Allen, but to use this sort of information screams that you don't have a grasp on what statistics and analytics have to do with one another. These are numbers, not analysis. Honestly. A fine, fine post and worth being repeated and read again. Makes me wonder if some of my thoughts need to be reconsidered.

IT IS NOT NOTHING. Increasing your productivity in any endeavor by nearly 10% and maintaining that performance level is F'ING HARD. People try to do it all the time and fail, and in particular in sports. The guy that moves from being a .250 hitter to being a .270 hitter? That happens a lot? No, not really. It's a bullsh!t claim and using 11 completions fails to take into consideration that he doesn't throw the ball much. More over, 11 drops? The guy benefited from among the best numbers on dropped balls among the big four. You are making an idiotic argument here. Drop it or not, but I'm done with responding.

Not pointing this at Buffalo716, but generally every one that is simply parroting what Allen has said about this "1 pass a game" bullsh!t. The guy completed 156 passed as a senior. Increasing his completions by 11 (1 per game, presumably) suggests a 7% increase in his accuracy. If you think increasing, and maintaining an improvement by 7% is an incredibly difficult thing to do. I'm not talking here about changing environments - I'm talking about constant environments and making that move. It's just not. This is basically the "Crash Davis" argument you are making. The incremental move IS incredibly difficult - which is why (using the Bull Durham example) there are so few guys that can do it. You are making an absurd argument when you make it. It IS A BIG DEAL and it IS hard to do.

For the Bills from right here, the list of candidates to sign can only get better. For Dez, he faces only more and more competition to get signed. I'm not a GM but it strikes me that no front office is going to be in ANY hurry to sign Dez Bryant for at least a couple of weeks.

somebody has to throw passes to Foster.

I'll put this out there ... in the days leading up to the draft, Kim Pegula made comments to the press about selecting a QB that would represent the city, be the face of the organization (and by that, I'm sure she was thinking the Pegula Entertainment whatever). A lot of that gets said, but it was just what I heard in her voice. Nobody in Miami, Pittsburgh, Arizona ... that sort of noise wasn't coming out and it certainly didn't come from the owner's wife in the manner I heard it. A few days later, the Bills select the "aw-shucks" QB and take what even our GM admits was a huge risk with the 7th pick. A few days later the ownership drops the president of two organizations. The entire organization's support of McDermott is ridiculously high. I don't think those three points are disconnected, not by a long shot. I don't know, to the OP if she is qualified. But I think the Pegula's - using the McDermott/Allen/Brandon examples - are on a sort of moral campaign to elevate standards over performance. An anti-Raider place, if you will, and they have been since bringing on McD. Does that make her qualified? To me, the best examples of top leadership represent communication, represent a culture, represent standards and enforces them. It's not at all about knowing the minutia of the actual business, necessarily.

WTF? Sure you can. it's called standing up for your beliefs.

That's one assumption. The other might be that Allen stared down his receivers, allowing DBs to close on them. Yet another might be that Allen wasn't throwing his WRs open. One thing we can put to rest is that his completion percentage fell because of dropped passes. I've read this over and over again about "Just look at the X Game. In the first half he had X drops". Bullsh!t. Look, I don't care WHY his completion was too low. In the end, his completion percentage was low and has been all his life because of the choices he made. He likes to throw, across his body, 50-60 yards downfield as he is falling back. His normal, first reaction when facing pressure is often to scramble. He puts himself into situations where he can fail and he does. Unlike many, I actually think that the problem with Allen isn't his accuracy. I think it's his inherent decision making - which on some level can certainly be game planned out. But not all of it. He has truly a lifetime of making incredibly bad decisions and if you think you can change a "fight-or-flight" mentality you are frankly NUTS.

Fair enough. Without a doubt, the best part was the fine throws. With no blitzes I discount the Senior Bowl to an advanced scrimmage. But he showed some fine touch in that game - I don't think I saw a ball misplaced, even a little bit.

Sammy Watkins says hello. [edit] and if you want to use Jim Kelly, look at the least at today's QB. Today better QBs get a TD/INT ratio close to 3:1. In some cases better. 2:1 doesn't get it done in today's world and I'm telling you, if Allen tries that backyard bullsh!t in the NFL he's going to be a failure. Not even a question in my mind and it shouldn't be in yours.

This can't be argued - and it what he wears proudly (and should). He likes to say his team won 8 games twice. Why did he "make plays"? I haven't looked into it, but I'm willing to guess an in-depth analysis would show that his tape is devoid of dump off passes to safety valve outlets. Please, don't use the answer "downfield offense". I have a hard time believing the HC that developed Carson Wentz put Josh Allen into an offense where all outlets were constantly 20 yards downfield. It's part of the game - knowing when to fold your cards and take a 5 yard sack instead of making it worse, to make that pass for 2 yards, to just throwing the ball out of bounds. I'd say it's roughly 5-7% of QBs dropbacks involve those decisions. With our offensive line, maybe more. If he tries to be a hero in the NFL, he's going to make you scream in pain. I don't care how great your arm is, if you consistently try to throw the ball across your body 50 yards as you fall backward, your team will lead the league in turnovers and your defense will approach giving up 450 points. Control him, and you have a shot because the defense will have to honor that rocket.

A number of gunslingers have been successful, and those are the ones that stick with you. We tend to forget the failures even when they've existed in our recent memory. I give you a certain Harvard QB, who might have lacked Allen's ability but certainly believed in his gunslinger/hero persona. He'd get that entire body of his corkscrewed up and try to cash a check his savings couldn't meet. Here is why I bring Ryan up: what I see a lot of are video of Josh Allen falling backward and tossing the ball on the run 50 yards downfield, and it seems frequently across his body. Eye-opening sh!t. They are held up as a reason to cheer for his possibilities. I think any DC would be licking their chops at a QB that tries to make this play consistently. It is a play that screams turnover or strip/sack and even as he completes a TD pass as he falls, I find myself asking how he got into that situation in the first place. Don't tell me that his offense didn't regularly include a safety valve - I mean, use some common sense. All I've seen has been 2017 tape but this tape is all 2016 and it tells me a good deal about his makeup and his go-to solutions when pressured. And the Senior Bowl tapes, where blitz packages are not allowed, don't help. Yes, I get it; Josh Allen can make that play and he's not Fitzpatrick that way. Will he have it in him to avoid that play to begin with? Let's hope the game planning and the coaching helps - but it never seemed to change Ryan Fitzpatrick's way of approaching the game. (Note: all through this, I'm not talking about scrambling but rather the gunslinger mindset.)

Thanks ... you might want to check with other posters. I think I've already identified myself as an equal mutt to Kelly. I just have little patience with any one as stupid as me - I get enough of that from the mirror every day.

Indeed. He could, but it won't be easy and I'm hoping he's given the chance to start before the season ends ... unless AJ is en feugo.

Ok. You've identified yourself as an idiot. Welcome to ignore, you have nothing to offer anyone.

So he ran an Pro style offense, and his completion percentage was easily 8-10% less than quality NFL QBs. And as i stated above, Brett Favre was nearly producing the same completion percentages as HOF QBs in the NFL. The comp that I am making is not to Mason Rudolph. I'm stating that using Favre as a comp is clearly off base; one of them was already showing an NFL capability in terms of his numbers when he played for SoMiss (and by the way, playing against top 25 teams). He is not in Brett Favre's class leaving college and it's absurd to put the two guys in the same sentence. And not a little unfair.

Exactly. The head coach made the decision to start Peterman. And based on that, YOU have made the decision he's not as good as DII QB after you've spent 5 minutes watching a highlight film from Shippensburg State. Whatever. HC went out of his way to compliment NP after the season; heck AFTER THE GD SD GAME he wasn't sure that he wouldn't start him again. It's not like he said get away from me you loser. Then in the last season of the year - hey, he could have gone with Webb. He hadn't seen Webb play, maybe he would have wanted to find out about the guy. No. He went with Peterman. Please. Stop it. Nate had a bad game against a superior opponent, on the road, and the OL had their worst day of the year. Put away the torch.

Minor difference here? Different era. In an time period where Dan Marino and John Elway were completing 57% of their passes, Brett Favre was basically completing 55% in college. In a time period where better QBs are completing roughly 64% of their passes, Josh Allen is hitting on 56%. It's an order of magnitude difference. It sounds small, but in fact it's huge.