Tyrod's friend

That's what you wanted to see - to see talent. You wanted to see potential and Allen showed you potential. Talent contest, no question. Talent doesn't deliver on the field, and on the field, Peterman delivered in the preseason. Maybe you and your friends weren't watching this game, but I was. " Buffalo Bills: Josh Allen, QB. The rookie looked like an inexperienced player in the team's dress rehearsal against the Bengals. Allen was indecisive pulling the trigger and repeatedly missed the mark when he pushed the ball down the field. The No. 7 overall pick, who completed 6 of 12 passes for just 34 yards, took five sacks, and the offense failed to score a single point under his direction. With Allen openly suggesting that the speed of the game was "eye-opening," the Bills might want to take their time before thrusting No. 17 onto the field. Grade: D

If Josh Allen can't get the ball to Zay Jones, who is getting good separation from DBs, what in God's name makes you think he will pass the ball in a timely manner to Amari Cooper? And while Benjamin is hardly Jerry Rice, he's a reasonable, starting WR. Nathan Peterman was able to get it to Jones for a TD. Really, the only quality pass play of the entire year. That's obscene. Let's put it another way: tell me for even a second that our total offensive package isn't at the least as good as what walks onto the field for the Jets. Right now, it ain't about the talent.

and all the people that thought Josh Allen was capable of playing in the NFL Day 1, please also reveal themselves. If you thought that Peterman wasn't the best QB in the preseason, you're a flaming idiot. He won the competition hands down, and it wasn't close, and Josh Allen hasn't done one thing to indicate to me YET that he can play in this league. A complete Kirk Cousins meltdown doesn't make Josh Allen a QB.

LMAO.

The very reason we don't have offensive linemen is BECAUSE we have Josh Allen. The two are aligned. We can't trade away draft picks to move up in the draft to get a QB when 60% of your starting OL rotation won't be with us, and act like the GM isn't responsible for that outcome. Josh Allen is injured today. The offensive line sucks. The two are related and the path leads right up to the GM.

who is he better than, and why - if your QB already has two wide receivers capable of at least average play in the NFL (not to mention Charles Clay, and Shady McCoy) - why do you think that giving him another target will make him better? I can't see the point in mortgaging even more in the way of draft picks. A third round pick is a thing of value, and pissing it away makes zero sense to me.

there's all kinds of stupid stats out there ... but what about this one? If your QB can't find a guy that is getting separation, then measuring his time in the pocket pretty much is a fckd idea.

if your QB can't seem to find a WR that has one of the leading separation numbers in the NFL, why expend effort to bring him someone you think is better?

no snark intended here ... but does tell you something I don't see? Because what I take from it is that there is no statistical difference in the amount of time most quarterbacks have to throw the ball. Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen have 6 one hundredth's of a difference in time to make a decision. Can you even acknowledge such a small time frame?

I don't have a take on the other three. For two years I've felt that DiMarco was the most overpaid, unnecessary use of funds on the team. A sort of obligatory flop to Carolina. Spending millions on a fullback that to my untrained eye makes consistent errors and doesn't impact your running game? That's a sin.

How he isn't cut on Monday morning is beyond me. I don't think I have ever seen him in the backfield with Shady, and if he isn't going to be an asset to our best running back and f's up as he does, what's the point?

Yeah. No problem with it; he's the last quarterback to lead this team to the playoffs and by the look of it we're going to be another couple years before it happens again. Of course you and your friends can still talk $hit about 150 yards passing or whatever, or only scoring a few points against the Jaguars. In a playoff game. On the road. When the QB was playing injured. Talk to me about it when Josh actually is playing anywhere near like an NFL QB.

LMAO. Yeah, because everything you saw in that game, in the previous games, would lead you to believe that the abortion that was our #7 pick overall was going to lead this team to anything. Sure. Whatever.

You spend an awful lot of time saying this method and that method can't be relied upon for getting a franchise QB, then you conclude with drafting a QB in the first round - which has ... what? a 20% success rate? Less? I've never said it is the only way, or that you are going to find the great franchise QB that way. But there are 10, all-time franchise QBs and to me, outside of Peyton Manning nearly all of them were easily acquired elsewhere than the top 5 picks in the draft. A lot of them weren't even the first QB overall taken. I hardly think the only way is picking one up in the draft. QBs are the result of a team, of good coaching, of a system that is built around them. Presumably the Texans had a near MVP QB there in DeShaun. Didn't look that way to me, and he was picked high in the draft. 24 starters. QB is important. It's not everything; it just seems that way when you have the recency bias of having Tom Brady bash your brains in twice a year for most of this century. A lot of the other stuff you wrote was pretty good.

The Browns got Tyrod Taylor for a third round pick for the 2018 season. We can debate whether or not he is viable, but he brought his team back to win twice against Saints this year in the fourth quarter, so please folks stop with the crap. If you don't like that one, I'll just go with Alex Smith, traded for another 3rd round pick. Let's go back a few years. Josh McCown had a pretty darned good season in the 2017 season, so Jimmy G wasn't alone. We could once again use Alex Smith, who had a pretty darned good year and was acquired by the Chiefs for two 2s. Maybe you think that's a whole lot of expense. I'll stand pat with those three names. Let's go back further. 2016? 4th round pick Dak Prescott is only the third best QB in football. He gets the job only because Romo is injured. Ok, they didn't have to go out and acquire him - but then again, they didn't let the seasoned veteran Mark Sanchez play. Most of the QBs at the top were in-place guys, though. I admit a stretch. Year before that, a quarterback acquired for a 6th round pick in 2015 throws for almost 4000 yards and leads his team to 10 wins. You know about Ryan Fitzpatrick though. Is that enough? If you are able to identify talent, and surround it with talent/coaching, viable NFL starting QBs are available for a song pretty much every year. I mean, in each of the cases going back for five years I looked only at the top 10-15 or so QBR rated guys and only looked at qualifiers. Hey, the Iggles apparently felt that Foles was a "viable NFL starting QB" since they turned down some pretty good offers for him. Cost for an Super Bowl MVP? A staggering 2 year, $11MM contract. You want them to repeat, year after year, high quality seasons? Bring that over to Giants fans who have a "viable NFL starter" for 160 consecutive, sucky, inconsistent years. I mention this in a response to @Hapless Bills Fan... of the top four guys for lifetime completions in NFL history, the top two achieved their results with their second team - and neither of those trades were earth shattering trades. Tom Brady got the job by default and he's fourth on the list. Moon was the 10th on the list, and he could have been had by anyone. I'm pretty steadfast on this idea. The further back you go, the more it seems like I'm right. And when you look at the singularly most successful all time players, the top 2 guys were acquired for what amounts to a song. I think I'm way, way right on this. sounds more like your nightmare.

tend to disagree with this one, right out of the gate. I mean, it takes some vision and some guts. But the SF 49ers fell right into one, didn't they? And since you mention him. the Browns gave up a 3rd pick (which really isn't much value at all) and the entire NFL genuflected to our FO for that trade. Do you think that made Taylor hard to come by? I mean, it's the same price basically as a different former Pro Bowl QB - Teddy Bridgewater. So I've got three teams in the last few years that acquired either a former or future Pro Bowl QB and used nothing more than a single pick that wasn't in the first round. And what exactly did Josh Allen cost the Bills? It's NOT hard to come by a starting NFL QB. Not at all. Of course, if you are preoccupied with interviewing the pride of Western Kentucky (really ... am I being fooled? Did we spend time with that guy?) or if you think that 5th round picks should be given the keys to the car ... you might not be the ones in charge of selecting a QB 7th overall.

There's a world of difference between not being an elite QB and not having a talent to play the game. Taylor can play the game, at least as well as most of the average to better QBs in the NFL. Hell, this year he's been on the same field as two sure-fire, first time Hall of Fame QBs and he's played at least as well as both of them. Numbers weren't great. But he could have won both games if he wasn't paired up with a historically bad place kicker. No excuses. He tossed a pick and it cost his team the game. I'm betting that the Browns do in fact win 8 games and possibly their division.

Plenty of teams go to the playoffs and the Super Bowl with just that, my friend. Puh-lenty. Some of them even win it all with guys like that.

They put the kicker into a place where the team should have won. Twice. It's what Tyrod does; he gives you a chance.

This really can't be true. Is it April 1st or something? The Bills tried out a QB from Western Kentucky, instead of asking a real professional player to come here? That's obscene and really, insulting.

I used to deliver the NYDN when Bill Gallo did his best work and Dick Young wrote quality stuff. This writer - and really what the paper has devolved into - isn't worth your time. Take it from me. In point of fact every single thing in the world at the DN now is some conspiracy created by white men to keep others down.

OMG. This entire thread is rich. You guys are pointing at a QB on another team and talking about a passing "attack". Perhaps you should all just sit in the corner and not worry about what another team has at QB. And yeah, he did enough to win two games against the Saints and the Steelers. That's about what the guy is and was - someone that gave you a chance. Good luck finding a chance in the next two years.

If he's great for five games, that would be just about enough to make the difference in getting your team to the playoffs.

yeah, sorry but you are as wrong as can be. Bills fans convinced themselves EJM was the real deal after his first preseason.