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Harry to Pats. Hurts...I wanted him on the Bills. Even worse he goes to Pats. He is going to be a star.

Now get best ol, te and wr

Now pick feels blah - likely OT that we could have regardless of some odd early picks.

Oliver or Allen. Otherwise trade for more picks. Someone that wants haskins.

Jones - perfect

We lost by double digits 7 times. We lost by 20 5 times Not that close. This is the NFL. Many games are close and teams dont really get blown out as much as you would think. Many many games could have been won by either team. The Pat's can win a super bowl and still have 5+ games that are within a TD. Good teams win more close games than they lose. Bad teams lose more close games.

I could see this happening. Would not be happy...would not really be upset either. Just blah.

Interesting tidbits. 1. I expect some of the FA sigings to be cut. Roster will change. 2. Hardly any guys drafted by the Bills. Only 1 that was drafted outside of the 2017 and 2018 drafts. 3. Lot of injury risk on OL. 4. A lot of turnover in a few years. Until we see victories It is hard to know what this team is. Lots of "what if" type players across the board. Some would argue the FO dismantled the roster more than needed - ego driven and wanting to do things your way. Some will say that is the way to do it or they were the wrong guys. I think it falls somewhere in the middle. You can create your own issues and then force the need to fix them, which takes away from other areas. We saw a lot of that - Dareus, P Brown, Woods, Watkins, Glenn, Darby, Gilmore, etc.

Crack is whack

Top 5 GM.

They are just playing hard to get to drive the price down....he will be signed by weeks end.

Vegas would rather lose a ton of money by low-balling the Bills just to make fun of them... If you dont like it. Go bet and put your money were your mouth is. If you wont take that bet then that should signal how you really feel.

Why are we comparing the two? Just because they were both rookies at one time. The stats only show part of the pic and they are different players. For example: Wentz threw for over 250 yds in 6 games Allen never threw for 250 Allen rushed for over 35 yards in 5 games Wentz never rushed for 35 They are different players with different skill sets. Its pointless to compare them based on a handful of stats.

Pretty much. No risk and may surprise some folks. Still has months to become a TE. But likely not making the roster.

He will dominate. Nevermind he was undrafted and cut multiple times. This is the entertaining mindset around here at times. Random guys we have now are destined to be stars and better than anything in the past. Then fast forward a few years when they did nothing and its what did you expect Croom was terrible, player xyz who was also undrafted and cut multiple times is so much better because new gm is a genious.

Lets not confuse playing or starting with a successful draft. Seriously go back and look through the drafts of the past. There are many Milano's, let alone a ton of Taron and Levi's. The 4-5 years before Milano - Ragland, P Brown, Alonso and Bradham. Pretty solid list. DB's during that time - Seymour, Darby, Gilmore, Brooks. When you create holes its easy to fill them with rookies and say we draft so well. You mention Dawkins and Teller - not earth shattering. Dawkins could turn into a good player or be a John Miller and lose his job, especially with all the signings. Zay, Croom and Foster could all see smaller roles next year and eventually gone. Not trying to be down but many of these guys played because the lack of talent more than their own talent. Or WR were awful and have gotten better. Same for our TE and OL.

Somewhere between 0-16 and 16-0. Ok - I will narrow that range down to 3-13 and 13-3.

Starting to become a popular pick to Bills.

I just really dont see Harry being there in the 2nd. I think he goes top 15-20. JAX at 7 GB at 12 (or 30) WAS at 15 TEN at 19 PIT at 20 BAL at 22 IND at 26 KC at 29 Dont be shocked if AZ trades its 2nd rounder and another pick to move back in the first and get him. Pair him up with K Murray and work alongside Larry Fitz.

This is the problem around here. Selective memory and short (and long) term memory loss. The present time is always great. Things are so clearly different now. The past was obviously a failure and everyone knew it would be. You cannot compare because the folks of the past were incompetent and the teams were terrible. Mario Williams - People went crazy when he signed here. The times are changing. Its a new era in Buffalo. This was not just on the message boards but even outside of Buffalo. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eofs-2012-nfl-season-predictions/ That is just one example. Didnt work out that year. They were just a QB away...Niz drafted EJ and retired in style saying he left the team in shape to succeed. EJ wasnt the guy but the Defense kept getting better. In 2014 we had one of the best in the league. Mario had 10 sacks, hughes had 10, dareus had 10. Orton at QB and almsot made the playoffs.

How is Allen "all in" unlike others? I would say that if he was the first QB taken in the draft...which EJ actually was.

Fact in point - the year after making the playoffs the roster was further blown up and the team was not even close to a playoff contender. If Allen pans out and the roster shores up around him maybe they are a perennial playoff team. But reality at this point is until further evidence it is the same boat as many other years. If only Rob Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, EJ, Tyrod and now Allen. Truth is there was "hope" with all of those guys at some point. The Bills traded a 1st for Bloedsoe. They traded a first for Johnson. Both Fitz and Tyrod were both given big contract extensions. JP and EJ were drafted to be the guy like Allen was.

I treat the team like I did my teammates, friends or family. I will defend them at all cost against the opposition, attack or whatever. But internally we keep it real. Your not pulling your weight I will let you know. Make a bad decision you will be on notice. If a change needs to be made we better get on board. Thats how I enjoy being a fan. On game day I am always rooting for my team. In the offseason I am hoping the can sign or trade for guys that help the team. But I dont just go along blindly. If I dont like a move the team make I enjoy discussing and debating it. That doesn't mean I am not a fan of the team anymore. Others rather just completely cheer for everything. Every coach or player on the team now is the greatest, every coach ore player that left is the worst. Not my style.

Well having Tom Brady doesnt hurt. Obviously its not all or nothing. But having a star WR helps a QB big time. No question - you have a guy that can bail you out and make everything easier. You can still be successful without that but the margin of error is impacted. And Stafford and Megatron - 2011, 2012 and were ridiculous...

Yep. It is always easier to call the present a success and the past a failure (when it was a failure). We could just as easily be looking back 5 years from now with a new GM and Coach saying the exact same thing. I am going to look forward to seeing how this plays out. The offense does still lack star power. Allen cannot carry the team with his legs etc like last season. We have seen that with every young athletic QB that their legs can help in the early years but not long. McCoy must rebound off a awful season and the OL will need to gel together fast. The bet is a group of decent WR is better than a star WR is yet to be seen. All in all - more experienced Allen, better OL, WR - should be better, TE and RB is a question = better offense. Good enough to get to 7-9 wins is my bet.