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Really? What are these clutch wins we are talking about that separates Allen from the pack? The win vs a NYJ team that is 2-7? Or the one vs CIN that is 0-9? I must have missed Tyrod's game winning drives vs. HOU and TEN in 2015 or the TB and ATL games in 2017.

Then why are they all gone? I thought this team had no talent and McD had to do a complete overhaul? For the record - This OL is a huge upgrade over any of Tyrod OL. And the 2017 Bills dominating WR's of Zay Jones, Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes with partial years of Jordan Matthews and KB? Come on . Just wrong. Bad QB play is wrong at any price. Not about the money. No on supporting cast. And if so that is scary to think our GM/Coach have downgraded the talent in year 3 of the process...

This is a huge myth. I refuse to give Josh credit for almost losing to awful teams and then fighting tooth and nail, with the help of a dominant defense to beat an awful team. Bad teams are bad mainly because they dont know how to close out games and win. Make some 4th quarter wins vs good teams and then we can talk.

Because he has been choosing or scared to do this in the past? No. Hit on a deep pass and he is over 300.

Does not matter for a number of reasons. 1. We are talking about level/quality of play. If Tyrod and that offense was not up to par then Allen and this offense are not up to par. Who cares about age, cost or any other parameter. 2. If you want to talk about experience then you have to also talk about things like Tyrod being a 6th round pick and Allen a top 10. Allen being picked as a franchise QB vs Tyrod as possible back up and not even making the roster. 3. You cannot compare Allen only to Tyrod and nothing else. You have to compare what other QB's drafting in the same time frame as Allen have been able to do. Lastly, you can say Allen has not played well and still be a Bills fan. You can be unhappy with his play and still want him to succeed. You dont have to be a blind cheerleader and make up an excuse for any negative comment about Allen.

Worst case and realistic scenario: Bills - Finish 10-6 with losses to NE, DAL and BAL and winning other 4 games. Raiders and Indy go 11-5. Raiders - Wins vs CIN, NYJ, TEN, JAC, LAC, DEN and a loss to KC Indy - Wins vs JAC, TEN, TB, JAC and two of 3 vs CAR, NO, HOU or CLE wins out or 5 of 6 vs MIA, PIT, CIN, AZ, BAL, PIT (and Bills lose PIT game too) or PIT beats Bills and wins 4 of 5 vs. CIN, CLE, AZ, NYJ, BAL

Exactly. Tyrod was not good enough and Allen is not get enough (yet). Clearly Allen is greener and there is a chance, but not a guarantee, that he gets better. Mostly everyone here wants to see that happen. I think frustration comes from what we are seeing on the field being reminiscent of failed QB's of the past and hearing the familiar excuses about more time, changing systems, supporting cast, etc.

Tyrod in the right system isnt a horrible option. Problem is you put yourself in a box that most teams would not want to be in.

2016 Tyrod

Lets pick Tyrod in a playoff game that he didnt play well with Allen against a 2-6 team. Yeah that makes sense. Pointless. I am not care about any Tyrod vs Allen or want Tyrod back. Point in my mind is simply this offense is not good enough. The Bills chose to move on from Tyrod or whoever and it has not equaled that level of production yet after 2.5+ years. That is a concern.

No way no how. We won games despite Allen not because of him this year. We would at least be 6-3 with almost anyone at QB.

This clarifies everything. Allen got the green light to play Justin Bieber in the locker room.

Who is everyone? I can agree people did not expect instant Brees/Rodgers/Brady. But he still makes some horrible decisions that I would be mad my college QB makes. He misses horribly on some passes that an NFL QB just has to make. Those are the concerns. I am fine with the he needs time angle, but there are basic high school/college level concerns.

Seriously? Neither of those are close to showing the ability to hit the deep pass. A broken play where a guy gets open and you huck it down there. Guy is standing and waits for it. The crossing play is better at least.

Allen Clutch Factor 2018 Ten - He threw for 82 yds total this game. Gets credit for clutch but this was a win despite him. He had 2 short passes on game winning drive, they ran the ball most of the drive. 2018 Det - Battle of bad teams out of the race. Bills took lead with 10 min left nand counts as comeback win... 2019 - NYJ, CIN, MIA = Three of the worst teams in years. Only reason needed comeback wins was because Allen played bad. Again, this clutch factor is so over hyped. For one they have been against bad teams that our less likely to hold up and win a game. For another it should never require a comeback in the first place if he played better. These are not 38-35 comeback wins in a shootout vs Brady. These are 17-16 wins vs awful teams.

Clutch factor - Tyrod did win some games. One difference I think people miss is those clutch games were Tyrod did not win were against good teams. Tyrod could be clutch like Allen against bad teams. Lets see Allen clutch against the good teams.

Confusion... Tyrod did play with KB as his best WR and a worse OL (Mills, Ducasse and rookie Dawkins).

Its because it is nonsense. Like you can have a green light to play fearless? That is a state of mind not an order. Or like there is some switch to turn it on or off. Come on now. He starts hitting his passes and building some confidence some of that fear goes away. But right now even Josh Allen knows he is not playing how he should...either he can rise to the challenge or not. Not some ok coach said I can do it yay.

I see plenty of plays supposedly Tyrod would never be able to make...

Forget the you are comparing a vet to a rookie. You are comparing an afterthought, 6th round QB, that was never supposed to even start or make the team to the Bills highest picked QB ever, who is the QB of the future. Sorry but the expectations for Allen should be considerably more than a guy like Tyrod.

What is missed in this whole identical stats things... Allen - 19 Int's and 19 Fumbles Taylor - 8 Int's and 12 Fumbles

This. He can be young, still need time to develop, be improving and all the positives you want to add to that. He can also be not good enough, disappointing, and holding this team back. Saying those things does not mean you are clueless, not a Bills fan, Tyrod lover or whatever else is said to anyone critical of JA.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28067012/teams-invited-colin-kaepernick-workout-saturday

And every team in the league against any team with a QB worse than Allen. Now what does that say? Either Allen is awful or every team should be able to shut down nearly every other team in the league. No. Allen is not playing great but also not the worst QB in the league. However our OC is awful and has no idea how to adjust or use his players skillsets.

Please please please. Stop with the you cant run when the defense stacks the box. That is such a horrible excuse. SO many ways to attack this. Its ridiculous. Lucky for Adrian Peterson nobody thought of stacking the box or he would never even sniffed a 2K yard season. You can run it at them at anyway. You can use formations that remove guys from the box. You can use motion. You can add more blockers to the box. You can design runs away from the extra defender. You can call the correct pass plays. On and on and on.