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Everywhere I read, he’s still being projected as a 1st Round QB. I also see a lot of people, like Kiper for instance state that he’ll be more liked by scouts than fans. Is it mostly because he has great measurables, and will therefore be liked by scouts, who typically focus on the measurables, as opposed to intangibles? Or is it just a fact fact that the mocks haven’t caught up to the current progression of his season, which has been a pretty rough year for the guy?

2018 1st 18th 900 2018 1st 21st 800 2018 2nd 28th 300 2019 3rd 18th 180 2019 4th 18th 66pts OT Cordy Glenn 200pts (End of 3rd Round Pick) 2446pts. according to Draft chart. Glenn is a guess in his value, I figure he’s younger and has missed as many games as Duane Brown, so should have similar value, and this is low-balling that. could this get us close to #2? Jump the Giants and take whomever of Darnold/Rosen is left? In this case we could also trade Tyrod for whatever pick(s) we could get. Maybe a 3rd???

The Beginning of the End???

I think the guy they want in a perfect scenario is Darnold. Can they move up to get him? I’m not sure, but if they do, a lot of the issues we talk about won’t be as big of issues within a year or so. Also, possibly dealing Tyrod and Glenn could help recoup some of the picks they lose in a potential trade up? (Not picks of the same quality, but at least to bring in quantity).

We know about Darnold & Rosen (pretty sure they’ll go to the Browns & Giants), as well as other guys that look like 1st round eligible guys, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, & Mason Rudolph. But I feel like there are a lot of other very solid quarterbacks in this class, and wonder if we don’t see one or more of them rise up the boards. I’m looking at the following: Luke Falk- Washington St. Ryan Finley-NC State Jarret Stidham-Auburn Riley Ferguson-Memphis Will Grier-West Virginia Clayton Thorson- Northwestern Could any of these guys find their way into the late first or early second round? This is is what I basically know/have heard of these guys: Falk- Accurate, but slight framed guy, not a powerful arm. He’s been benched on multiple occasions this season mid-game, and seems to be regressing. Finley- Seems to be a guy that is accurate ands positive is that he currently plays in a pro-style offense. Doesn’t do too much deep passing, probably because his arm only seems adequate in terms of strength. But he seems to very good poise & anticipation, which has helped him develop into a “rhythm passer” Stidham- Even though he’s only a redshirt sophomore, this guy intrigues me a lot. He was a top prospect coming out of high school, was doing well at Baylor, then moved on when the programs issues began. Had a very good year when he transferred to JUCO, and has yet to really make his mark in a very run-oriented offense at Auburn. I think he could be a riser if Auburn gets to the college playoff and we see Stidham so we’ll on the national stage. I wonder if he’ll come out this year, or try another year as the starter at Auburn which would make a lot of sense, so I can’t blame him if he does. Grier- He’s accurate, not the biggest guy, but has decent enough size. Has some mobility as well. The main thing is he got busted for performance enhancers, how will that affect teams views on him throughout the process. Ferguson- Big kid who left Tennessee, took time off, ended up at Memphis, and is pretty much lighting it up.. *please feel free to add anything to what I’ve got. Additionally, of all these guys (or even some that I haven’t mentioned), how would you rate these guys, and could any of them sneak into late 1st or 2nd Round at all?

Obviously Cousins would be the top option. I have a feeling for some reason that he ends up with the Broncos. Just seems their style after the Peyton deal and the fact that they can’t seem to develop & keep their own (Lynch, Osweiler, Cutler, etc). I think a lot of people see Eli going to Jacksonville. He’s got familiarity with Coughlin there, and they’re a team on the rise. The only thing I wonder is he’ll want to be in an offense that doesn’t really want to pass the ball.

I get the laughs, but it’s one way of guaranteeing the guy is with you for another year. He’s having an amazing year, and rather than give him a long term deal with guaranteed cash over the course of multiple years, a franchise tag (obviously only if necessary), is a realistic option. We could’ve said the same thing about Cousins two years ago, Washington is now having to look at the possibility of a 3rd Franchise Tag that will give them a 30M Cap hit.

Basing this on a few things: 1. Assuming Redskins DO NOT Franchise Tag Cousins again. 2. AJ McCarron wins his grievance against the Bengals and becomes a UFA. 3. Eli Manning asks for and is granted his release from the Giants. 4. Alex Smith is released by Kansas Coty 5. Brees re-signs with the Saints (otherwise it’s basically a guarantee he’s the top option anyways). 6. Minnesota re-signs/tags Keenum, Bridgewater & Bradford become RFA’s. Cousins McCarron Manning Smith Bridgewater Bradford To me this could be the best group of QB’s to move around the league in a while. If you manage to get a guy like Cousins, drafting a QB is unnecessary. You could go after a younger guy to compete with a Peterman and possibly a mid-Round Draft Pick with someone like McCarron or Bridgewater. You could also also go after a guy like Smith, Bradford or Eli to groom whoever you do Draft, whatever point that’s at. Basically I’m just pointing out that, adding Taylor to this group, there’s a lot of options for a lot of teams out there this off-season, not even counting the draft. I want the team to go after another quarterback, but if you’re not totally comfortable with the price to move up, or the guys that are available when you pick in the 1st, or to play any of those guys right off the bat, there’s a myriad of possibilities this off-season. Regardless, what would you like to see the Bills do this off-season regarding these options?

He’s got a skill set that teams will be interested in. But we’re all shooting in the dark. It only takes one team to live emanated with a guy.

Thats exactly why I think it will be Rudolph, they won’t trade up. They’ll go with a new vet in the off-season. (Bradford/Bridgewater/Keenum/Smith/McCarron or someone of that ilk), and let Rudolph, or someone like him, fall to them. A lot of teams are wary of the numbers that quarterbacks in the Big 12 put up, so Rudolph (along with Mayfield possibly) could take a hit from that in terms of their draft stock. I know I said “Rudolph will be their guy”, but that’s also as of right now and how the class is currently stacking up. Some things will definitely change, so depending what happens it could totally be a different QB. I believe that from now through the combine & pro day process we will see the following: 1. Darnold above Rosen because of Rosen’s “personality issues”. 2. Allen solidified himself as the #3 QB. 3. Mayfield becomes #4 with Jackson at #5. 4. One of the guys we’re not talking about as much, either Falk, Thorson, Stidham or Ferguson jump up the boards either through their play during the bowl games, combine results or pro-days. If Auburn goes and beats Georgia, gets a playoff spot and he can get some heroics going for Auburn, look for Stidham’s stock to really shoot up. He’s a guy I could see as a late riser.

I agree with that statement. I also think the height thing could be an issue as well. Again, I think Rudolph will be their guy.

I think Glenn will be gone after this season. They’ll move Dawkins to LT, and move Glenn for whatever they can get. My guess is a 2nd-4th depending on if he comes back and plays at all towards the end of the season and his diagnosis long term, and what else goes along with him in the deal. Duane Brown has similar Games lost due to injury in the past few years. Since 2013: Glenn (28yrs Old) GP: 65 GS: 64 Games Lost to Injury: 10 Brown (32yrs. Old) GP: 61 GS: 61 Games Lost to Injury: 8 Holdout: 7 Games 2017 So Brown is 4yrs older, only has missed 2 less games, while holding out for a good portion of this current season. Brown was dealt at the deadline to Seattle; ”The initial deal had Houston sending Brown to Seattle in exchange for Lane, a 2018 fifth-round pick and a 2019 second-round pick.” Lane failed his physical, which led to an amendment to the deal; “The Seahawks will now send a 2018 third-round pick and a 2019 second-rounder in exchange for Brown and a 2018 fifth-round pick.” So while some see him getting cut, I think Glenn ultimately gets dealt, and possibly for a decent piece depending on his health towards the end of the year and into the off-season.

I think they go for one of Allen or Rudolph. Beane has repeatedly talked about having a guy that stands tall in the pocket, and while not necesssrily meaning height alone, both are guys who prefer to work from inside the pocket. Rosen & Darnold will go 1 & 2 (Cleveland and probably the Giants in a move similar to Chicago moving up for Trubisky). Buffalo either moves up and takes Allen ahead of the Broncos & Jets, or stays relatively put and grabs Rudolph. Mayfield & Jackson go between Allen & Rudolph. (my quick prediction is Mayfield to the Jets, Jackson to the Cardinals).

I think they end up with one of Allen or Rudolph as their guy. Also, I believe AJ McCarron filed a grievance with the league, and if he wins, could become a UFA. He’s a guy I could see them going after as a stop-gap. from ESPN.com: “McCarron's grievance dates back to his rookie season in 2014, when the Bengals drafted him in the fifth round. McCarron initially passed his post-draft physical, but the Bengals placed him on the non-football injury (NFI) list at the start of training camp due to a shoulder issue.” Regardless I see them doing something like this; 1. QB 1. OL/DT 2. OL/DT 2. LB 3. TE/DE 4. RB 5. OL 5. TE/DE (via Jax. 6th becomes a 5th when they make playoffs and Marcell is on the roster) 7. CB If they get a guy like Cousins, I could see everything moving up a slot maybe. Alao, I wonder if they don’t try to move Cordy Glenn for a pick. I know he’s been hurt but rumor was Seattle inquired. And as little as they would get, I could see them dealing Tyrod away for a 4th or something of that nature. They’ll do whatever they can to get as much Draft capital as possible in my estimation.

While there could be a correlation made between the Redskins record, and Cousins not being a “winning quarterback”, he’s not necessarily the reason for it. you might be right that he’s not a winner, but you have other evidence than “his team doesn’t win, and he doesn’t look like a winner to me”. Is Bortles a better quarterback than Cousins because the Jaguars are winning? Or Keenum in Minnesota? Or that Derek Carr is suddenly a bad quarterback because of how the Raiders are playing? Again, don’t get me wrong, Quarterback is the most important position on a football team, easily. But there are also 52 other guys on the roster who impact the whole, not to mention an entire staff that is coaching those players (either to their benefit or their demise).

Not true: “As Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk notes, the Redskins would be highly unlikely to use the franchise tag again in 2018 as it would come with a 44% raise over his 2017 salary, meaning they would have to pay Cousins a $34.5 million salary. Instead, the Redskins could use the transitiontag. That comes with a 20% raise and would bump his salary to $28.8 million.” so while its not likely, Washington does have the option.

At this point, if we’re gettinf a veteran QB, I’d rather put the money out there and go after Cousins. He’s got a good resume and would allow us to keep the picks and use them elsewhere on the roster. Then go flip Tyrod for a 3rd or 4th Round Pick too ?

By the end of the season, if management decides to move on, what would his trade value be? Or would it be easier to just let him go? I would figure he'd have trade value, just not sure of the cap ramifications if they traded him as opposed to cutting him. I'd figure a team like Jacksonville, Arizona, or even Cleveland might offer a 2nd Round Pick if he became available.

I think they end up with Rudolph or Allen. Neither Darnold (of he comes out) or Rosen, will be available when we pick, and there's too many needs going forward to move all those picks to move up for a guy that's a bit a "sure thing". I think they'll look at Jackson and feel that he's a guy that has to move outside the pocket too much, whereas they want a guy who will be a 3-step & throw kind of player. I believe they'll be worried about Mayfield's height. If he was actually 6'2", I don't think they'd be as worried, but if he's 6'0 or 6'1 I think they want a guy who has better vision over the line of scrimmage. Kind of irritates me because I think he'll be a good quarterback, but it's all a guessing game. I believe they might even see Allen as possibly the best/most talented guy in the draft that just hasn't had his talent properly developed... Rudolph could be another option. Stands tall in the pocket, decent accuracy on the short to medium stuff, but the question with him is how much has the system at Oklahoma St. helped them.

I can't remember who said it years ago, but it always rang pretty true to me. When looking at a college quarterback coming out and becoming a successful pro, he looked at three things... 1. Sample size- should be at least 28-30 games started. Again, this is isn't an exact science, but it sure helps If a guy shows he's done it over a long stretch. 2. Completion percentage: At the time, whoever said this said 60% completion percentage. I think now, especially in college, 63%-65% is a reasonable ask. 3. Interception rate: can't be turnover machines. I think it was anything around or over 1 turnover per game (either fumble, int, whatever), and it was considered a risk. I think a good 4th category would be quality wins, like atlbillsfan is saying. As a QB in football if you're on a decent/good team, and you're a QB who's going to translate to the NFL, you need to show the ability to carry your club on your back. Watson Again, I can't remember the exact numbers, and I know this is an inexact science, but if you look at a guy who's started three years in college, completed 65% of their passes, and turn the ball over less than 10times per year, minus the Texas Tech gimmick teams (which is where I think people question what Rudolph's done), you'll usually have a solid quarterback. I think Mayfield has checked enough of these categories, and also seems to just have whatever "it" is. He might play a bit similarly to Manziel, but 1. He's a lot thicker in his entire frame 2. He escapes looking to throw, not to run 3. While he's confident, he doesn't seem to be a totally arrogant punk. He came to Texas Tech as a walk-on and became the first true freshman to start his first college game at quarterback in FBS history. Then transferred to Oklahoma without a scholarship, no guarantees of any position and has been a 3year starter there, and put up very very impressive numbers. But again, as atlbillsfan has said, if he can go and take them and beat 'Bama... that would really be something. Doesn't HAVE to happen to make him a good pro, but it would certainly help his case. But I believe the QB's will go in the following order: 1. Rosen- he just seems like the consensus #1 in terms of his talent. 2. Darnold- His performance last season, and a good finish this year will keep him this high. 3. Jackson- I think people around the league salivate over his potential. 4. Rudolph- big, smart, not the strongest arm, but effective, not the most accurate, but effective. His frame, again is also enticing, doesn't seem to make too many crazy errors 5. Allen- struggled hard this year, but has really impressive physical traits. 6. Mayfield- I think the height thing is really gonna hurt his stock. And the fact that he came in as a mid-late Round guy in the eyes of most and has to climb over all the guys behind and listed above. Honestly i think at least 5, if not all 6 will go in the first round. It's a quarterback league and teams are desperate.

This is why I wonder if a guy like Mayfield is even an option because of his off-field issue, but other than that one incident or getting drunk and resisting arrest, does he have any issues? Kid seems to ooze leader from what I've seen/heard.

I wonder if Mayfield is a real option for them. I'm split because while he's had off-field issues, the kid has moxy & compete like you see in the good ones (Russel Wilson, DeShaun Watson had it as well at Clemson) while having some real arm talent. I think hell he'll end up as the best QB of the class and hope they can snag him with one of their 2nd's, or even one of their 1st's.

Two guys I'd think of adding, that could be drafted late... 1. Harrison Phillips-Stanford: 7sacks last season, 5 so far this season. Seems to have some good penetrating moves, high motor type guy. Not projected to be more than a 4th or 5th Round Pick where I've looked. 2. Lowell Lotulelei- Utah: McDermott & Beane know his brother well from Carolina. He's not the same talent, but he could be a useful guy who can stop the run and hold the line of scrimmage.

Just wondering if people here think they'll re-sign him? Heard this being debated on WGR this morning, so it made me curious. I do admit I wonder whether they'll want to invest money into Matthews and then more into Benjamin in another year. Regarding being able to draft one... yes, we could, but I think right now there are bigger needs than Wide Receiver now that we've gotten Benjamin who I believe is a lower end True #1. Those needs include: G/C-Replace Wood/Incognito as they age. DT-Replace Marcell & possibly Kyle. CB-depth behind White/Gaines QB-Need a long term answer RB- McCoy Replacement/Partner