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....this whole thing was discussed alot last year.... Here is a reminder of how that all went down. 1. Whaley was going to be fired, and McDermott had only been on the job for a month. McD was running the draft, BUT, he hadn't had time to evaluate the QB's himself AND he wasn't going to draft one until the NEW GM was in place so they could scout and discuss together. Whaley was retained through draft day to provide scouting reports etc and run the nuts and bolts..but this was McD's draft. ...I can't emphasize enough that Whaley was on the way out..and MCD wasn't taking a QB that he hadn't evaluated to stake his reputation on, and his job on....and wasn't about to do that with with a GM on his way out. 2. It is a FACT that the Saints were going to draft Mahomes at 11 if he was there. Sean Payton has said as much...and on draft day itself, Jordan Speith, the professional golfer, who was in attendance in the Saints war room, tweeted that Mahomes was going to be the pick. 3. was never really confirmed, but it was rumored that Whaley wanted to in fact draft Mahomes...but again, he was on the way out and it wasn't his call....don't even know for sure if this is true. 4. was rumored that Terry Pegula liked Mahomes...but deffered to his new coach....Pegula, more than anyone is to blame IF you into assigning blame for missing on Mahomes...The front office dynamic created by Pegula prior to the 2017 NFL Draft...was NEVER going to produce a QB as a draft pick. See point 1 again for why. The facts alone are enough to absolve Whaley of blame for missing on Mahomes......and it technically falls on McD because he was running the draft, but you can't blame him for passing at QB when he'd only been on the job a month...is a defensive minded coach...and wasn't comfortable taking a QB he hadn't evaluated, etc. The trade made alot of sense to a new guy, who didn't have anywhere enough information available to him to draft a QB....to go ahead and move down, and get that extra 1st and 3rd for him and the next GM to work with. It's pretty clear that if anyone is to blame, it's Pegula. His process of firing/hiring put the team at a disadvantage on draft day.

Josh Allen improves his completion PCT by 3 points....going up to 59-60% Unfortunately, his improvement doesn't translate into a better record. The Bills actually go 4-12 as the defense slips slightly from last years stellar performance. Fans and Front office alike realize using ancient running backs wasn't a good idea. Hope abounds as team heads into the offseason determined to upgrade the RB position, and another expected step forward for Allen.

Nick Bosa falls all the way to 8, Detroit...and busts.

I am boldly predicting only TWO first round QB. Murray at 1 to AZ and Haskins at 11 to Cincy.

Just putting this here so I can refer back to all my prediction and analysis in one spot. Quarterbacks.....I think many have missevaluated the QB position as it pertains to where these guys will be drafted because the last 3 classes have produced so well. I think that people are assuming there must be 3 or 4 good QB in a class now just because that has been the recent trend. What I think people have completely missed is that teams are evaluating the position more accurately. That has coincided with the last 3 classes having good QB's in them. 2016. First Round.GOFFWENTZ Lynch2017. First RoundTRUBISKYMAHOMESWATSON2018 First RoundMAYFIELDDARNOLD?ALLEN?ROSEN?JACKSON?Every player on this list except Lynch is their teams starter. Rosen technically is...but will be traded and is considered a good prospect still. All 5 from the 2016 and 2017 have already played in at least one playoff game. Without going too deep, you could make a reasonable argument that all 5 of those QB's were absolutely correct choices, who had, for the most part, been correctly evaluated by the teams who took them. You can make a very strong case that none are busts. You can make a decent case that all 5 2018 QB's have worked out so far (I would argue that isn't quite the case yet, but for this argument, I'm going with the thought these guys are considered legit) If you believe, as I do, that teams have in fact, improved at their evaluation of the QB position, AND you believe that this group isn't that good. ( I think it's a poor group after Murray) Then, to me, that means these QB's are going to fall farther than people think. Denver...I..Elway has CORRECTLY evaluated this draft class as far as QB goes. His coaching hire also is a STRONG indication that Elway still believes that he has a good roster that needs better coaching and simply, average QB play to win. He didn't hire Vic Fangio to develop a drafted QB. Fangio is going to win with Defense and Flacco or he is getting fired and the next coach gets to develop the drafted QBOTF that would come later on. I believe ALL QB will be on the board at 10 when Denver picks...they won't have a trade partner, and will stay there and select a defender.The one team poised to actually take their next QB right now is the Bengals. New offensive minded coach. No extension for Dalton. Dalton can be cut anytime with no dead money right now. The Bengals are prone to doing things to sell tickets. Haskins makes sense for these reasons.The other surprises here are going to be the teams eveyrone thinks will go QB and they are will not be. The Giants have Dave Gettleman....who is bound and determined to prove everyone wrong about his drafting philosphy......If they don't take a QB at 6 (they won't) then they aren't taking one at 17 either. I can't see Gettleman liking any of these guys enough to swallow his pride and stake his reputation on. His odds of hitting on a defender at 6 and maybe a WR at 17, are alot better than hitting on a QB (especially this year) He'll be able to show his detractors that he was right to take the guys he took and they'll go forward another year with Eli.The Redskins are going to roll with Keenum and McCoy. The Redskins are NOT going to give this front office and coaching staff the benefit of more time that you'd get with a new QB to develop. They need to win now and they have some good pieces on D. They'll take a player who can help now....that isn't one of these iffy QBs. The Dolphins are an enigma. They are rolling with Fitz. They are reportedly going to consider this year a tank/blow up year. They did hire a new coach, so the grace etc needed for the new QB that new coaches gets, exists here. I don't see them considering themselves as ready to draft a QB now. I think they want to get through this year of cap hell and blow up the roster and see how next years class shakes out. No reason to start your rebuild with a QB who they won't start, and have no confidence in starting. That leaves late round trade ups to consider....Lock will be a juicy target for someone perhaps later....but with the depth of defensive and TE talent in this draft...I can see no moves back into round 1 for Lock, Jones or anyone else. The class just isn't that good, and the circumstances of the teams who are percieved to need QB's aren't aligned with a desperation move....combine that with what I believe are improved scouting efforts and you have a 1st round that has TWO Qb's drafted.

Quite possibly nothing at all. No one knows at this point. All anyone can say (and what is reported) is that Hill's child is in state custody due to an ongoing investigation about abuse in the home involving his 3 year old son, and that Hill has made appearances in court related to this matter. .....If Hill had no prior history, he be given the benefit of the doubt....because of his prior conviction, he isn't being given that....and in my opionion....this is a bad look no matter what because you have a fiance, who you have the kid with...and she is pregant with his twins right now. He is approaching the big payday...ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS KEEP YOUR **** TOGETHER and he's getting paid. If Hill wasn't the perpatrator, and he's been with this woman a long time and knows her well, and is engaged to her....you'd think at some point that they might have discussed perhaps....you know....not doing anything that might cause people to be suspicious of them enough to have TWO separate police reports filed and concering authorities enough to remove the child from the home....you'd think the two of them could hold it together at least long enough to cash in.....but no.

He was already convicted of choking and punching a pregnant woman in the stomach....so he gets a second chance in KC....he technically hasn't done anything wrong. He also is an NFL player who plays for a team that just released Kareem Hunt for arguably much less, and who was NEVER CHARGED. I would prefer to keep Hill. As I said..GREAT PLAYER...but how can you sign the guy to an extension at this point when he is quite possibly subject to the whim of Roger Goodells morality at any given moment now?

They also drafted Kareem Hunt knowning he had some issues in college...he has continued to have some issues....and even though he was NEVER CHARGED, the Chiefs released him, and the NFL suspended him 8 games. Roger Goodell (and Clark Hunt, Chiefs chairman) don't need a conviction etc to take action. I really really hope that this whole thing comes out as some rediculous coincidence the kid broke his arm falling off the slide at daycare while Tyreek was out of town or something. Unless there is solid proof that this whole thing is just a misunderstanding...there is no way he gets and extension here (in KC)

....as I said in my post...by law, in Kansas, ANY case/report of child endangerment, abuse, and/or neglect that goes to court..REQUIRES both biological parents to attend court appearances. Hill, being the biological father of the child, therefore is required to attend court hearings about this case and he therefore has been in court regarding this case. If you don't live in KC where this whole thing has been discussed ad naseum, and you don't have all the details..this looks REALLY Bad....basically as a national storty it looks like this....Tyreek Hills child taken into state custody due to charges of child abuse. Hill appears in court. The whole thing is still awful, but without all the details, it sounds and seems even worse.

....here is my perspective as a KC fan.....and I am telling you all now....my opinion on this isn't a popular one among Chiefs fans...but this may help offer some clarifacation.. Back in January/February....a couple of police reports were filed regarding Hills 3 year old son. The first one was dropped with no charges filed and the second one doesn't name Hill, but rather his fiance (and mother of his child) Apparently, the second report has to do with an incident that resulted in the 3 year old childs arm being broken. The authorities in KS, opted to have the child removed from the home. It's important from a legal standpoint (not a football standpoint, I'll get to that) to understand that in kansas, having a child removed from a home doesn't consitute guilt or innocence of parents/guardians...it's done as a precaution for the safety of the child until the matter is sorted out. It is also important to note that in Kansas, when these happen, the biological parents of the child must both appear in court, even if one isn't named as a perp...or if one isn't the custodial parent...if your name is on the birth certificate, you are required to appear. Now....given that.....Hills child is in the custody of the state. Both Hill and the child mother appeared in court per Kansas Law. Hill wasn't named in the report. Those are the facts. That said...the situation is that KC Drafted Hill, who had been convicted of punching his then pregnant fiance (this is the same woman listed in child abuse report) in the belly and choking her. He was on many teams DO NOT DRAFT list. KC took him the 5th round of the 2016 NFL Draft. The front office took a lot of heat for the pick at the time. Andy Reid held a post draft press conference and assured the media that they had done their homework on Hill and that he would be a good dude going forward. Not too long ago, a local TV station even did a feature on Hill and his Fiance showing them at an amusement park with the son and that they are still engaged and she is now pregnant with twins. Hunt had his issues and was released. Now Hills Child, is in state custody...alledgly, Hill wasn't even in town when the second report was filed and again, only names the fiance as an involved party. STILL...this is a horrible horrible look for Hill and the Chiefs...they took him in the draft with an obvious red flag...promised he'd be good. They had the whole Hunt thing happen and released Hunt for lying to the team. Even if Hill was not directly involved in the incident...this is a HORRIBLE look for him. You are Tyreek Hill. You got drafted in the 5th round because you were convicted of a horrible violent act. You land on a good team with a good offensive coach. Knowing that extra eyes will always be on you, AND approaching your BIG PAYDAY...you find you are associated with a child abuse issue and your kid is in state custody. ....There is no way KC can or will sign him to an extension (this is the part unpopular with my fellow Chiefs fans) You already set a precedent by cutting Hunt, (who was never charged with anything) and now you have Hill, already convicted of horrible things, being now mentioned and heavily associated with horrible things he may or may not have directly been responsible for. Chiefs fans keep looking at this as a legal matter and that if/when Hill is cleared, it's all over, we can go back to worrying with football etc and Hill will get his extension...bla bla bla. There is NO WAY KC is going to give a guaranteed mega signing bonus to a guy who is THISCLOSE to being the next dude on Roger Goodells list. Hill is a GREAT WR. He is the fastest man in pads I've ever seen. He takes hits, runs good routes, can leap, gets separatoin, returns kicks and comes up big in big spots...and he's a good teammate by all accounts and not an A-hole Diva type. He's everything you'd want on the field. Personally, I don't care...Just move on already...I don't want, and don't need a guy who has punched and choked a pregnant woman....who can't keep his domestic life on the up and up, having been given a great second chance....on my team. Frankly...when you have Mahomes....moving on from Hill isn't that hard. If you take away ALL of Hills catches, TD's Yards etc..AND you assume NO ONE would have made up even a single catch TD, or yard...Mahomes still would have led the NFL in TD throws, and remained top 10 in yards and completions. I can't say what will happen, but I suspect the team IS looking to trade him and at minimum, won't offer an extension.

Exactly right. This story is even from a Chiefs writer. I’m a huge KC fan but my god, we have some of the dumbest people covering the team and frankly, the dumb writers are at least smart enough to understand the dumb audience they are trying to reach. I’ve never seen a fan base as bad as KCs fan base, about wanting to sign ANYONE, ANYONE, whose name they heard somewhere before. Doesn’t matter who is on the roster already, and doesn’t matter thatva salary cap exists.....I promise, you go to any of the Chiefs fan pages on Facebook right now and you will find this exact quote “Carlos Williams is a BEAST! We should sign him!

The situation is highly unusual....but....there probably haven't been this set of circumstances come along in a long time, if ever. Team takes a QB in round 1 but he is the 4th QB off the board, he lands on a team that has a 1st year coach....the OC is run out of town in a hurry and the replacement OC doesn't do much better.....you finish with the 1st overall pick....AND there is a QB that the CARDINALS FO (wich is who matters in this case) beleives is a game changer/generational type talent.... You have fired the coach and staff from the year before and you hired a coach whose sole qualifications thus far is that he has HC experience, is a proven architecht of a system that has produced a couple of STAR NFL QB (Mahomes, Mayfield) and the guy avialable at 1, is of that system. The Cardinals are not looking at this in the sense that "we have a QB we took at 1 last year". Throw that out the window...they DO NOT CARE...and it does not matter where they took Josh Rosen...that is a sunk cost..... The choice the Cardinals have...and this is how they are veiwing it...(and they've made the choice already) is we could stick with Rosen.....we have tape on him..he was here for a year...he's under contract. Or we could choose this other QB who we believe (key word..BELIEVE) is a generational talent. This is not even a choice.....if you believe a guy is a generational talent at QB...and you also believe the guy you have is NOT one...you take the generational talent every single time. That isn't saying Murray will be a star, or that Rosen won't be....I am saying Arizona brass beleives Murray will be a star. There isn't a trade package anyone could offer the Cardinals right now to move out of that pick. Bufallo could offer their next 10 1st rounders and Arizona isn't moving. ....again...it's becasue they believe Murray to be a generational type talent. Now....we'll see how it actually works out...I personally think this the right move for AZ..I think Murray is going to be very good.......certainly better than Rosen.

The market for Rosen will be there. I think the Chargers will offer a 2. They have a solid roster, in win now mode and need a QB to be ready to replace Rivers. The Chargers, being a good football team, would have a hard time getting into the top 10 of a draft anytime soon to take a good one. Any guy they would take in round 2 this year, probably wouldn't start for them anyhow....why not burn a 2 on an LA kid, and be ready to go for the looming decline of Rivers? In the case of the Redskins waning interest..you have a different dynamic to consider...that coaching staff and front office KNOW they are in a win now kind of mode...They need impact players NOW to win now. The coach and GM do not have time to put the team in Rosens hands and develope him...either they win now with Keenum, or a new regime comes in and they get to find and develop a new QB. I think the Patriots would be a good spot to consider as well. I would think they'd be all about it, but I really believe that in defference to Brady, they will just roll with Hoyer as the backup until Brady goes. Brady seems to want no one waiting in line behind him so he can literally go out when he's good and ready and not being pushed out. Miami should be interested, but not sure they will be. Wouldn't hurt to get him and see what they have..and if he busts..they follow through with their plans anyhow. The Giants should be the most obvious team out there to want Rosen...but gettleman WILL NOT suddenly eat his words and admit errors....everything he has done is in the interest of continuing with Eli....he wasn't interested in Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson etc when he just could have flat out had any of them...that isn't changing.....He's committed to Eli. A couple of very wild cards would be Seattle and Detroit. If you are either of those 2, and you aquire Rosen, you then could trade your starter and build. This would seem to make more sense in Detroit....I can't see Seattle fans ever liking Rosen if it meant trading away Wilson....

im here because this place is fun and has knowledgeable fans. Chiefs fans in general are big homers. Every fan base has them but on Chiefsplanet, etc, it’s not easy or fun to try and have an intelligent football discussion. Some of the best conversations about football I’ve had are with people like transplant or hapless bills fan, jay fix it and riverside.

And of course, just to prove it’s me....this is me and Poncho Billa at the 2018 Draft

Can an Admin look into it or someone tell me how? Mechanics is overated....can he get the ball to his target? Yes. .....a metric of his that really stands out to me...is that he has a pretty high completion rate downfield along with a good depth of target metric to go with it. That says to me that he is identifying targets further downfield than alot of guys AND...and this is the important part..he gets the ball to them. Grier isn't a great runner...but I'll take him as a pocket passer with a GOOD NFL arm that reads the field and can get the ball to targets. Winning from the pocket like this is what it takes to be a consistant winner in the NFL. If the Bengals were to land him in this draft....they'd have something I think...he goes to a spot with an established starter we may never know or will wait a long time to find out......I am still very high on Mason Rudolph...but he's sitting behind Big Ben.

I spelled it wrong the day I signed up.

I actually spelled it wrong the day I signed up for this place.

JaCrispy apparently.

I get this alot. I am not Jeffismagic. ....ironically, I post on a Denver Broncos board (and also Jetsnation) as Zerovoltz, and over there, those guys think I am also a Pat Mahomes guy who reinvented a new name etc. I'm really Zerovoltz. From KC. I live in Dallas/Ft Worth. I met and took pictures with Poncho Billa at the 2018 draft. My wife is a hot asian woman.

If a MOD would move this to the appropriate location, that would be fine.

It's fluid enough right now that I wouldn't either bet for or against what you are saying here.

Yes, Grier. I can certainly understand this view.....Having Kyle Williams retire means there is a spot and need for someone like Ed Oliver...and that would certainly make a ton of sense. I went with Hockenson because I think your coaching staff knows their D is solid...they need to get Allen all the support they can...because the coach and GM's jobs depend on Allen failing or succeeding....not if the D is ranked 5th or 15th. Given that everyones future success or failure is riding on Allens arm....I figure the choice is Hockensen.