Zerovoltz

If I were the Bills...and had the cap space you all do...I'd totally be all over Duke as a trade target....If KC had any room...I'd want him in KC. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of the 62 RBs w at least 250 early down rushes+targets the last 3 years, Duke Johnson ranks:<br><br>#2 in yards/play (5.8)<br>#3 in explosiveness<br>#7 in success rate (52%)<br><br>Only 2 RBs rank in the top-10 in all 3 metrics: Johnson &amp; Alvin Kamara.<br><br>Duke Johnson is a weapon &amp; a solid asset. <a href="https://t.co/0ij68lSVkw">https://t.co/0ij68lSVkw</a></p>&mdash; Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1112866590381494272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe read the whole thread and you’ll see where it was discussed already.

This is a perfectly rational counterpoint.

The answer to Which backup QB would I rather have? Chad Henne or Josh Rosen? The answer is Rosen. If for some reason Mahomes gets hurt, sucks whatever the reason, then I would love to have Rosen as my next man up. As of today, he is still a well thought of prospect with potential. The Chiefs current back up, Chad Henne is NOT. if Allen were to bust, get hurt, etc, the question here is would you want Matt Barkley or Josh Rosen as the next man up? That is is what the thread is about. The Arizona Cardinals, are about to put Rosen on the market (they should take Murray and keep Rosen, but they aren’t). It it presents an interesting set of circumstances where a QB with a potentially high cieling, will be available at a relatively low price and inexpensive rookie contract

.....if Jimmy Johnson knew Aikman would be the man then he of course in hindsight wouldn’t have also aquired Walsh. He didn’t know what he had. He got both with the idea that one of them would hit. With the rookie pay scale, it’s actually never been easier to afford two of these guys at once. Rosen will likely fetch a second round pick. That is cheap for a QB that still has “potential”. .......another person who clearly hasn’t read the thread. I DO want KC to get him.

go back a couple pages....I'm not Jeffismagic or crayon eater or anyone else.

If you had read the whole thread...you'd see that I have advocated for KC to do this. The Patriots are one of the teams rumored to be very interested.

There isn't a single word in my original post or any of my responses saying that Rosen would be better than Allen or as good. Nothing Rosen did in 2018 suggests much of anything about his future. He may well bust out. He may go on to be good. He's still a guy with "potential" at this point. Just as Allen is a guy with a lot of potential. Neither have become good QB's in the NFL yet. The entire point of this whole thing...AGAIN...is not to say Rosen is better or that you should have drafted Rosen....the point is that a QB who was rated as a first round talent, who has played one year in the NFL, and whose future potential is still difficult to gage, and who many still feel has high end potential and talent...is available to everyone in the NFL right now. My suggestion is that this is a rare and unusual set of circumstances...and gving the 1989 Cowboys as an example of a team who also found themselves in the unusual situation that allowed them to aquire TWO first round rated QB's in the span of a year or less, they did so....as Jimmy Johnson explaned...becasue geting the QB right was too important. The Bills could give themselves a better chance at aquiring said franchise QB, if they had TWO first round rated talents on the roster...if one busted or was injured etc....you'd have anohter guy with POTENTIAL on the roster already who isn't costing much. Most of you are taking this as an anti Allen post...it is not....it is a post about QB development strategy at time when there is a guy available who ordinarily wouldn't be. Allen may well become "the man" you'd trade Rosen for what you could get. Jimmy Johnson ended up trading Walsh later on for a 1st and 3rd. Allen may bust. If he did for some reason....you'd be turning your franchise over to Barclay or some other journeyman. Your fan base has seen enough journeyman don''t you think? Im' simply suggesting that there is an oppertunity to execute a contingency plan unlike anything we've seen in decades. There are a TON of threads here debating Rosen Vs Allen..that isn't what this is about. When you can look at it as a possible insurance plan, instead of a debate on wich Josh...you might see the point.

I did address this in the thread...and I can agree there is some validity to this....my coutner point is that Aikman probalby didn't think it was cool for Jimmy to bring in Walsh. Aikman didn't complain or whine about it...he competed and won. I'd like to think that Allen, who is a professional athlete being handsomely paid...would also compete...If Allen folded up into the fetal position because Rosen arrived on the scene then Allen was never your guy to begin with probably.

No...I'm Zerovoltz from KC. I'm not Jeffismagic. I don't actually post here that much. I do my actual TROLLING over at Orangemane.com. I enjoy giving Broncos fans crap....I LIKE you folks here. Over there I troll away..they let me join their fantasy leauges.....I drafted Mahomes..won their money...have made and won some other bets with them...and generally just give them crap. https://www.orangemane.com/forum/orange-mane-discussion/orange-mane-central-discussion/20009- My name is Gary. I am originally from KC, but live in the DFW area of texas now. My wife is pretty easy on the eyes. Here is a picture of me and Poncho Billa at the 2018 Draft down here (Jerry Dome) and here is my facebook page.... https://www.facebook.com/gary.hamilton.714

Again....Arizona should keep him.....since they aren't though....and since he is available....in my opinion....he would make the ideal insuarnce policy (INSUARANCE POLICY!) to have in case Allen doesn't become what you hope for. It is rare that such a prospect would be available to have as a hedge in such a case. Jimmy Johnson...who knew what he was doing clearly.....had this same strategy form the beginning of his run with the Cowboys. He gave himself the best odds to have that franchise guy. I can't stress enough...I am not arguing you drafted the wrong Josh....or that Rosen is better. I am NOT making that case here. I am pointing out that this is a very unusual chance to increase your odds to find "the man". Once Allen becomes the man...oyu trade Rosen....or if Allen doesn't, you have Rosen on hand to try. You already know Barclay is NOT the man....Anderson is NOT the man....

I said earlier on in this post somewhere that the Cardinals SHOULD keep him and draft Murray for this very reason. If I was on a Cardinals board, I'd be advocating they hold on to him. ....that would be very similar to the Cowboys taking Aikman then Walsh and keeping both until 1 emerged.

You'd probalby be right....it's only been done 3 times ever....wouldn't be likely he'll top 50 TD again. Brady and Manning only had one 50 TD season in their careers....would be unrealistic to expect Mahomes to do it again...ever.

No. There isn't. (many KC fans are extreme homers...and aren't capable of inteligent or civil discourse.) Yes. I came here after the trade....gloat? eh...probably some....troll....sure...but I've really enjoyed this place...lots of knowledgable passionate fans...I participate in some of the non QB threads here. I am ROOTING for Allen. I want the Bills to have overcome the metrics nerds and for Allen to succeed. I like him....he's fun to watch. He seems like a great kid. It's been interesting to observe and discuss with many of you.... The Cardinals will get a 2nd for him....lots of teams still think he does.

...it doesn't matter that he is CHEAPER...that's just a fact that goes with it....at this point...he still is considered by many to have high end POTENTIAL. That is the point.

If I were the Cards...I'd draft Murray AND KEEP Rosen. They are going to trade him and move on....they view Murray as a generational talent who is better than Rosen.....if you can get a guy who you think can be a generational talent...you get that guy. I really appreciate your viewpoint on this.

If you think Rosen = Barkley or Anderson, then NO...it wouldn't be worth the investment. I would do it for a 2nd because in the case of KC...Rosen > Henne...and cheaper. If god forbid, Mahomes had a career ending injury or somehow busted out...then Rosen would at least be a better chance to become "the man" Henne isn't going to ever be that...Henne, Barkley...those guys are out there every year. Rosen isn't. Rosen may well suck, but as of now, he's still looked at by many (including me) as someone with potential.

You should know by the end of 2019 what you have in Allen. You'd then either move on from Allen or move on from Rosen. He is a cheap insurance policy, that you get cash back on when you don't need him anymore if you don't use him.

I'd be ALL for it! Mahomes could bust an ankle or shoulder in a car wreck...Rosen is cheap and can be had for a 2nd. I'd be ALL GOOD with KC doing this.

I am NOT saying or implying that Rosen is better or that is who you should have drafted. That isn't it. The whole idea is to have someone who isn't a washed up journeyman, on the roster, as insuarance against Allen not developing. Walsh was drafted by Jimmy IN CASE Aikman couldn't cut it. It was an unusual situation that allowed Jimmy Johnson to draft/aquire TWO first round rated QB and have them on his roster at the same time....in case one busted, he had another real chance at having a guy who could get it done. the Bills have that same rare chance if there were to aquire Rosen. This is NOT about who is better! It's about maximizing your odds.

Rosen is available. Mahomes is not available.

You aren't getting my point. I am NOT arguing that Rosen is better than Allen. I am suggesting that he is a high potential guy to have on the roster in case Allen busts....or if Allen wins out and is great, then Rosen, still having not gotten much game action, will be considered to have potential and becomes a nice trade piece. He is the rarest of QB insuarance policies...that is what I am tyring to say.

For the millionth time....if EVERY QB in the NFL had 2 less drops a game, their pct would also be higher. ....By this theory Josh Allen has had the unusual bad luck to have been around nothing but a bunch of butterfingers catching his passes since he was 12 apparently.

I don't know or think that you "got the wrong Josh" they are both unproven high potential prospects at this point. I am advocating to get TWO of those guys on your roster instead of 1.

I think it would be the right thing to do given the circumstances. I lurk around here and post often....I see how much most of you LOVE Josh Allen....and rightfully so...he's an exciting prospect, and your team just make several moves to upgrade the roster around him....and we haven't even gotten to the draft yet....Allen could be everything you all are still hoping for....but IF he doesn't turn out to be that guy....how often does a team ever have a chance to literally stock a BLUE CHIP prospect on the bench as an insurance plan? That is what Rosen could be for you. Allen is NOT a sure thing at all at this point. No matter how you break it down, he's gotta make a staggering improvement on that completion pct. His past suggests that isn't a given.