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Couple of notes. with Kielce Hill Hunt and same system, Alex Smith produced his career best season in 2017 topping 4000 yards for the first time in his career and throwing 26 TD passes, a career high. Smith was a horrible Red Zone thrower, completing only 44% of his passes. KC as a team was awful in the Red Zone. Mahomes, with the same cast, has thrown for 26 TD passes, in just 8 games, leads the NFL in passing yards, QBR, etc etc. i concede that Mahomes is helped by having the Ferrari offense to run, but I do not concede that others would look as good doing it. Smith is a decent QB His BEST effort was equaled by Mahomes, in his first year, in half the games. someone mentioned Vision. Ding ding ding. Winner. The kid has incredible ability to make reads. He keeps his eyes downfield. Combine this with his “arm talent” where he truly can fire to all fields from any platform and get it to a spot with power....it’s incredible to watch. Just FYI the online has a pro bowl right tackle, an adequate left tackle. And the interior is injured. Already on our 3rd center and 3rd right guard due to injuries. Left guard is ok. Interior pressure has been more frequent as a result but Mahomes overcomes it by rolling out and firing wherever anyhow. There red is a compilation somewhere of defenders throwing their arms up in disgust game after game because you do everything right, flush him out, good coverage and he burns you anyway. personally, I think Allen could still have a chance to be good. I would measure his progress against Trubisky, and quit comparing to mahomes.

You wouldn’t escape it. Every kid in Kansas City is Pat Mahomes for Halloween. The fam base is all in. Also, just think how much better Mahomes would be if he had won more games at Texas Tech.

If they lost the entire Buffalo market and gained the entire Canadian market, the next TV deal will make the owners way more money still. im Not knocking the Buffalo market. It’s similar to KC. All I am saying is that if the Bills (or anywhere else) aren’t locally viable, the NFL will be glad to go to Toronto etc. not to St. Louis, or San Antonio etc. NFL Gaines Zero by relocating domestically.

The NFL doesn’t care about any new or decking domestic markets. The revenue is mostly from TV. Non NFL markets already watch a lot of NFL football. The NFL can only expect to grow the revenue by adding international markets. if the Bills or Chargers or Jags move, it won’t be to St Louis or San Antonio. The days of growing through domestic markets is done. London, Toronto, Mexico City. Possibly two London teams. If the Bills leave it will be an international destination. Keep in in mind that the owners would rather enter international markets with existing franchises as opposed to expansion because you share the added revenues with the same number of teams and not having to split those up with more new owners. Losing 25% of the Buffalo TV market is a non factor when you can gain the entire Canadian market by relocating To Toronto

This line of reasoning is not very sound. If you are inclined to think Watson and Mahomes couldn’t succeed with Buffalo then you have to ask who possibly could AND, then you’d have to be critical of the Bills for drafting the ultimate project QB. This logic just turns into a hopeless circle. our team is bad, we need a Qb. If we take a QB, he will still suck because our team is bad. Ok, our team is bad, we need a QB. We will ruin him because our team is bad. If if you want to say Mahomes would be breaking records if he were a Bill, that is valid, but if you think Mahomes or Rodgers or Marino would just suck because they had this roster, is a lazy way to evaluate a QB.

It does not matter.....that's fine they ruled it a "pass" but there is no such thing as an incomplete backward pass....the ball is live unless it goes out of bounds....it is NOT incomplete.

The ball ended up being thrown BACKWARD....that is a lateral...there is no such thing as an incomplete backward pass...it has to be recovered by someone becasue it's a live ball

WTF....if you are calling that a "Pass" then it was a lateral and a live ball! how do you screw that up?

We Chiefs fans are still clinging to the hope that it will.

Thought I’d give you all an update on Ragland in KC. you win. Ragland is playing in the wrong era of football when it was important to have that run stuffing thumper at MLB. Its not working out here in KC. Ragland is virtually useless as he can not cover and he isn’t even able to make plays in the run game. He lacks speed. KC drafted a guy named Dorian O’Daniel in round three this year out of Clemson. He was a tweener safety LB type. He finally got real snaps this past week. Talk about night and day, suddenly were able to cover the back out of the backfield. Raglands time here is short. It’s very clear he is a relic from another time. congratulations.

Go watch Mahome week 17 last year when he played 3 quarters of the game with all back ups. He looked like he looks now. Then read the Broncos post game comments. Three quarters with backups was enough to sell them. second, if you believe 85% of QB could put up the same numbers as Mahomes, then trading away a first and a third for a QB in a draft loaded with high end defensive talent, that KC is in dire need of, would seem like a poor way to use draft capital when you could have signed McCaron, Bridgewater, Keemum, Bradford, McCown, Tyrod, Cutler, Fitzmagic, etc. I would contend that no where near 85% could, and thats why he went and got Mahomes

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.........We (the Chiefs) were down 10 into the 4th quarter at Denver, and we were the first team to win under those circumstances in 65 games there......he sucks. He threw 2 INTS vs JAcksonville AFTER we were up 30-7. ...and he threw 2 in New England, and we still hung 40 on them.... People have figure him out...YES, they have...you have to get pressure on him with your front 4, and give him confusing looks AND then you still need 35 points or more anyway because he rolls out of the pressure etc and makes long accurate throws anyway. ...He sucks... Alex Smith had the SAME weapons last year....except Watkins...the decoy....Smith is gone because he couldn't do what Mahomes is doing with the same talent around him. ....I would ask you NH fan....what would you need to see Mahomes do before you were impressed because leading the NFL in TD, QBR, with road wins at the Chargers, at the Broncos and at the Steelers and agains the no.1 defesne...hasn't impressed you so far.

I would point back to the QBR rating that many on this thread are refering to...takes into account the situation, personel etc to produce a rating. Josh Allens rating is not good. ....in Allen's sort of defense... pouring over the numbers, Allen does have a rather high Air Yards Per attempt. You couple this with is leauge high(worst) time to throw and it tells you the kid is sitting back there too long waiting to throw downfield....wich even for someone with as big an arm as his....is not optimal because his completion pct on such throws is POOR. ....this does coralate with his college days when he would do pretty much the same thing. This further points to some of the obvious flaws pointed out throughout the thread that Allen can't read defenses and make the right throw........I almost wouldn't say he "can't" read a defense...I'd almost contend he doesn't bother to try...he seems to want to look deep (the long time to throw) and throw deep (the long air yards per attempt) but those are low pct throws and he tries to make them more often than he should. Some have pointed out that there have been some designed plays, quick slants etc that he hesitates to attempt despite the play design.....the numbers all bear this out. I don't hide that I am an Allen doubter, but I don't think it's impossible that he could develop. A starting point for the coaches would be to emphasize short high pct throws. (another argument entirely since some of his short stuff is wild looking) ..but they need to continue to call some of those slants etc like they have done already, and tell the kid to execute that play as it is drawn. If that Comp % is ever going to get up to an acceptable level, he has got to become proficient at the quick read/short passing game.

LOL LOL.....you do realize, even after losing to the Patriots, the Chiefs are still all alone in first place in the AFC at 5-1.....with road wins over the Broncos, Chargers and Steelers....with head to head tie breakers on the Chargers, Steelers, and Jaguars to boot? ....we get Cincinatti at home this week and the only other real threat in the AFC, the Ravens, also visit KC later this year. We are the 2 seed at worst. We've also only been at home twice this year, and now finaly get to the somewhat easier part of what is overall, a very difficult schedule. Defenses have already figured out Mahomes..you have to get pressure on him in a hurry and give him unusual looks...Denver and New England did all you can possibly do on an NFL field to get to the guy...he ended up adjusting to THEM at halftime....becoming the first QB to WIN in Denver in 65 games when trailing there by 10 or more in the 4th quarter...and he hung 40 on the Patriots and everything they had after a bad first half.....it's tough to have succeeded in figuring a guy out, get him running for his life and he STILL has the ability to throw ropes 30 yards downfield anyway.....good luck with that. I can live with an INT or two if he ends up extending 5 or 6 other drives etc because he difficult to stop...the trade off is worth the risk. Finaly....someone getting hurt...going into the NE game...lost starting RG...then lost starting C during the game...missing Eric Berry all year...and for this game also missing Justin Houston...not as big a deal as losing Hill or Kelce would be..but the only thing this D does well is rush the passer from the edge with Houston and Ford..if you only have the one...then he gets double teamed. He may end up with 15 INTs.....and 40 or more TD's....sign me up.

Nothing against your point here....just a personal quest of mine to get people to reconsider using the QBR stat instead of "Passer Rating" Passer rating is poor stat for determining the effectiveness of the QB because that stat takes all yards, turnovers etc and counts them equally. A completion of 5 yards on 3rd and 14 is a poor football play, but passer rating takes it as a completion, 5 yards gained, etc. An interception in the red zone at the end of the 1st half is a poor play, but if you threw that from the 50 as time expired, taking a hail mary shot before the half, that interception isn't a poor play, it's a throw away lottery ticket at 6....but passer rating considers that to be just as bad as an interception in the red zone, down by 4 with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. QBR isn't perfect, but it takes these sorts of things into consideration and gives a more accurate reflection of what your QB is doing. 1 Patrick Mahomes, KC 84.9 2 Drew Brees, NO 79.0 3 Jared Goff, LAR 78.7 4 Philip Rivers, LAC 78.2 5 Ryan Fitzpatrick, TB 75.4 6 Tom Brady, NE 72.0 7 Kirk Cousins, MIN 70.2 8 Matt Ryan, ATL 68.4 9 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 67.5 10 Andy Dalton, CIN 62.3 11 Mitchell Trubisky, CHI 62.3 12 Carson Wentz, PHI 59.9 13 Joe Flacco, BAL 57.3 14 Andrew Luck, 56.2 15 Aaron Rodgers, GB 55.9 16 Deshaun Watson, HOU 55.0 17 Blake Bortles, JAX 54.3 18 Cam Newton, CAR 53.8 19 Dak Prescott, DAL 51.5 20 Matthew Stafford, DET 51.4 21 Marcus Mariota, TEN 50.4 22 Alex Smith, WSH 49.9 23 Baker Mayfield, CLE 49.1 24 Russell Wilson, SEA 47.7 25 Sam Darnold, NYJ 44.7 26 Derek Carr, OAK 43.8 27 Eli Manning, NYG 41.4 28 C.J. Beathard, SF 40.6 29 Case Keenum, DEN 38.8 30 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 33.6 31 Josh Allen, BUF 32 Jimmy Garoppolo, SF 29.5 33 Tyrod Taylor, CLE 29.1

Frankly, Ragland is rendered completely useless on our defense....he needs to be clean and our D line of nobodies, don't require doubleteams and can't shed blockers...offesnive linemen consistantly get to the second level and Ragland gets swallowed up in that...and since he can't cover....he is a liability at this point. He'd be a better fit on a team that has good D line...and that isn't KC. If you want to call Watkins a decoy in this offesne..I can live with that..he isn't going to be the no.1 or 2 target guy here....that is clearly hill and Kelce. If you saw Hill miss time due to injury, I would suspect an uptick in Watkins numbers, but not 16 Million dollars worth.

Watson = Vince young

Watching here in Texas....really impressed with the defense. Solid solid unit

This argument doesn’t work all that well because an Andy Reid coached Alex Smith with virtually the same weapons etc, could do things Mahomes does. Mahomes of course benefits from the situation he is in but the Chiefs, Reid etc are benefitting from Mahomes too. If anyone could walk into the situation in KC and be great, we would still have Smith. There is more to it. You aren’t paying attention if you think Mahomes is another DAK.

Kansas City has outscored oponents 59-9 in the first quarter. The other team has started with the ball all five games. KC is no.1 in the NFL in third down efficiency in D and top 10 in sacks. The D isn’t good but it isn’t bad and it’s been good when the games outcome is still in question. We’ve also played the Chargers and Steelers on the road, two of the better offenses in the NFL.

You’ve completely missed the point of going to London. Has ZERO to do with the market in Jaxonville. The nfl isn’t going to care if that market has 15% less people watch an NFL game on Sunday. Drops of water in an ocean. The London Market means millions in potential tv rights. You put a team in Toronto, they likely become the national team of rooting interest to that whole country and thus, millions more TV revenue. Same with Mexico City. (By the way, the per capita income, standard of living etc in Mexico City is higher than the rest of the country and nearly on par with your average US city). Having a team in JAX or not, doesn’t matter in all this. The owners stand to make a TON of money on TV contracts by expanding to international markets. They don’t even need to expand. Jax moves to London, Buffalo or The Chargers move to Toronto. Same number of teams, whose owners get to split up a much much larger TV contract pie.

Carr HAS definitely fallen....I thought his rookie year, he was going to be a really good QB for a long time.. (wich as a Chiefs fan, I was pissed about) ...so this is a fair point from John...I don't think Mahomes will have this problem....but it's plausible. Also...Carr just has not been the same at all since his major injury....and this stat below pretty much shows how far he has fallen off. #Raiders Derek Carr - red zone QBR by year (source: ESPN) 2014 - 96.9 2015 - 51.1 2016 - 41.7 2017 - 29.7 2018 - 14.8

While there are many US markets that would welcome them, the point of the move has more to do with the next TV contract.....so here is what I mean.....the US TV market is pretty well mature in that even in non NFL markets, the viewership is high...you don't gain a signifigant amount of new viewers by putting a team in....San Antonio...those people are already watching NFL games on TV.....that is why any further moves or expansion will be in international markets.....If you expand to San Antonio, Portland, Oklahoma City and Salt Lake City....you don't really add TV viewers...but the owners end up having to split the same TV contract with 4 additonal teams....they don't want to....they need to add more eyes in other markets to grow the TV money...Jax isn't a problem of being or not being a viable market...that isn't the problem...it's as vaible as any other domestic market....Adding London to the TV mix along with Toronto and Mexico City (or some new market with new eyes) gets the owners a bunch of new TV viewers wich means more TV money...that is what this is about.

....Judgement has been passed based on his work in college and at the combine. Many of the doubters (including me) look at his production in college and judge that to translate to poor NFL QB. The supporters (the coach and front office included) have looked at the test scores, the physical traits, the combine measurables and judged him to translate to future franchise QB. I am sure you are refering to his NFL body of work...and that is fair, but there is alot of work out there already to analyze and draw an opinion from.... It is a fair point to give the kid this whole year to see what you have....and it's a legit point to see what he does when you assume that the roster around him will be considerably upgraded next season. It was the plan the whole time...it's worth follow through on.