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It took them years to get rid of Snyder in Washington.

Pickett started poorly as a rookie but showed considerable progress late in the season. He has looked good in his limited play in preseason (and not just against the Bills). He doesn't have to be Josh Allen to be a good/excellent NFL QB for Mike Tomlin's Steelers. This is my take as well, especially the AFCN. I think that the Ravens and Steelers are closer to the Bengals than the Jets and Fins are to the Bills, particularly because of Harbaugh and Tomlin. If Watson resurrects his early form, Cleveland can become a formidable force in the league, capable of beating any team because their D is damn good. NE doesn't have nearly the talent that the Brown have. The Patriots are always "in the picture" with Belichick as HC, especially in divisional games.

Best first round draft pick New England ever spent!

It's entirely too early to decide this question, so I didn't vote. Both could be successful, both could fail, one could fail and one succeed. If Watson recovers his early form, Cleveland will win a lot of games and most Browns fans will be forgive him for his past bad behavior. If Wilson resurrects his career, all will be forgiven in Denver, too. If one or both fail, my guess is that some heads will roll in the organization(s).

The "battle of Lake Erie" with any two of the three teams from cities on the lake would also be a contest between two teams that have never won a Super Bowl. A Browns-Lions Super Bowl would be a match between two teams that have never been to a Super Bowl before.

Exactly! For the record, three backup QBs led their teams to SB victories: Earl Morrall (Baltimore Colts, SB V), Jeff Hostetler (SB XXV), and Nick Foles (SB LII). There have also been several QBs who'd best be described as "journeymen" or "average" who took their teams to SB wins, including Mark Rypien( SB XXVI) and Trent Dilfer (SB XXXV).

The ABC affiliate for Buffalo (WKBW channel 7) is still available to Spectrum subscribers (me). I think this is because Spectrum picks up the ABC feed via WKBW rather than directly from Disney. Unless your local ABC station is owned by Disney, you should be able to get the Bills game next Monday even if the dispute isn't settled.

How, exactly, is Rodgers "a good fit in New York"? Aside from doing celebrity things around town to dazzle the media, Rodgers has done nothing to fit in with the Jests. The team has done more back flips to accommodate Rodgers than a gymnast prepping for the Olympics, including hiring his favorite former OC as their new OC and adding several Rodgers' pals to the roster. The NY media and Jests fans are smitten with visions of Lombardis dancing in their heads because Rodgers deigned to appear in a preseason game for the first time in five years and looked "good" against the Giants' 2nd stringers. We'll see just how good a "fit" for New York Rodgers really is when reality shows up beginning September 11. Rodgers and the Jets seems much more like Russ and the Broncos than Stafford and the Rams or Brady and the Bucs. Both the Rams and the Bucs were solid offensive teams with good OLs when they added their new QBs. Even Brady didn't receive the royal treatment afforded to Wilson and Rodgers by their new teams and the local media when he arrived in town.

I'm optimisitc because for all the whining about the Bills "tough schedule" in 2023, all of the AFCE teams face similarly tough schedules. All the teams face 6 games against their AFCE rivals, 4 games against the AFCW, and 4 games against the NFCE teams. That means each team has 3 games different from the teams its rivals play. The Bills play the Jags, Bucs, and at Bengals. The Dolphins play the Panthers, Titans, and at Ravens. The Jets play the Falcons, Texans, and at Browns. The Patriots play the Saints, Colts, and at Steelers. All the AFCN teams are going to be really tough outs, so none of the AFCE teams are finding easy pickings here, especially since all the AFCN teams will be at home. The Bills may have a tougher schedule, but it's surely not significantly harder than the schedules of their AFCE rivals like so many doomsters worry about.

If he's healthy, why wouldn't Allen be at/near the top of the QB rankings when the FO has given him more and better weapons and added better players to the OL?

Her name is Jamie Erdahl, and she is much better than Kay Adams.

Actually that was an offensive explosion compared to the epic Bills-Brown stinkeroo on October 11, 2009 when the Browns beat the Bills 6-3 after Parrish fumbled a kick off, enabling the Browns to kick the winning FG. Derek Anderson threw 2 completions in 17 attempts for 23 yards and 1 INT. The Browns didn't even have 200 yards of offense. The Bills passed for more yards and ran for almost as much as Cleveland, but Trent Edwards was intercepted once and Roscoe Parrish lost two fumbles, including the one that led to the winning kick for the Browns.

Suck it up, Buttercup. As a long time Bills fan, I survived the Bills struggling to win 2 games all season long. I survived 0-for-the-1970s. I survived HCs who were so incompetent that the players mutinied (Hank Bullough) and HCs whose aim was not to lose by too much (Dick Jauron). I survived a #1 overall pick who refused to play for the Bills (Tom Cousineau). I survived watching players the Bills developed into stars leave for other teams over and over and over again. I survived a football organization that that put profits over winning for a decade. I'll worry about the wheels falling off the Bills' juggernaut when I actually see the wheels coming falling off.

So, you can't know if you're doing your career/profession/job better or worse today than you were the day you started unless somebody's done an "objective study" of your progress or lack of same? My guess is that your supervisor doesn't need to study a dataset to figure out whether you've improved since you were hired or not.

Some posters need to improve their reading comprehension. Sorry, HappyDays never said that playing center was easy. Sorry, but HappyDays never said that center wasn't important, either.

Why are you surprised that some on this MB think Dorsey can't improve? There are pages upon pages of comments in multiple threads already consigning the 2022 draft class to the bust pile. Our window has closed. Beane can't make good picks in the first and second rounds. The Jests and the Carp have better rosters, etc etc etc ... Sometimes I have to go back and check that the Bills actually did go 13-3 last season and won a playoff game given the litany of "the sky is falling" chants that seem to be overrunning this MB.

The window closed when Beane failed to draft Creed Humphrey ... //sarcasm

Isn't that like claiming Miami has a better team than the Bills while ignoring the most important position, QB? It would be much easier for the Bills to hit on their first and second round draft picks if they regularly drafted in the top ten spot in both rounds, but I don't miss all the years of the season being over by mid-October ... or even late September. Another Nostradamus! I'm shocked that you haven't already pronounced Kincaid and Torrence doomed to be busts.

It's hard to miss with 2 picks in the top ten (#4 and #10) in 2022, although the Jests have a tradition of doing so, especially when drafting QBs. They missed on 2 of their 3 top ten picks since 2018: Sam Darnold in 2018 and Zach Wilson in 2021. I think it's very unfair, Nostradamus, that you already know the results of the 2023 NFL season and haven't shared them with your fellow Bills fans on TSW. I would like to see the Bills try to improve their scouting/collegiate player evaluation staff(s). I think that would probably improve the Bills drafts somewhat. As long as the Bills are winning double digit games and drafting in slots #21-32 in the first round regularly, though, they're not going to match the draft successes of teams regularly drafting in the top 5-10 positions.

For most OTs, it's significantly harder for them to move to the other side of the line than to simply move inside to OG on the same side. I think that Dawkins has a better chance of making an awesome LG than making a competent RT.

Exactly this. Too many posters apparently cannot or will not accept the fact that not all first round picks are going to develop into All Pros at their positions. I don't know what the percentage of all first round draft picks become good or better players over the course of their careers but my guess is that it's south of 50% (< 16 players), with most of the best coming from the top of the first round in each draft. Beane and McDermott gambled that a very young MLB would grow into greatness, and they lost. OTOH, they gambled that a very raw QB with a big arm but poor mechanics could develop into an elite QB. They won that one.

Since the Bills had several bottom 10 (maybe bottom 3) LTs after they traded away Peters, those of us who remember those bad old days understand that the LT position could be significantly worse than these Dawkins haters can imagine. IMO, playing next to an improved LG, McGovern, will improve Dawkins' play when the games count for real.

No, I'm not. I'm simply making the observation that the 49ers since 2017 under Lynch and Shanahan just can't seem to keep QBs on the field because of in- game injuries. If it was just Garoppolo, it could just be dismissed as one injury-prone player but every single QB who plays for them ends up hurt. Last year they went through Lance, Garoppolo, Purdy, and Johnson. In 2018 or 2019, they used three QBs because of injuries. It's not like the Niners have a crappy OL or that their QBs are running like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. The injuries aren't similar so it's unlikely that they stem from training regimens. Do they tend to pick QBs who are more slightly built than the average NFL QB and thus more injury prone? Is it possible that Shanahan's offensive schemes somehow expose his QBs to injury more than other coaches' schemes? I can't give Lynch and Shanahan kudos for being successful despite an unsettled QB situation when their QBs can't stay healthy for more than a few games at a time.

Purdy's been serviceable for 6-8 games. So was UDFA Nick Mullens, who's currently Cousins' backup in Minnesota I think. There's been dozens of late round QBs who have been "serviceable" for half a season or so over the years. It's not all that rare. What's a rarity is a late round/UDFA QB become a real franchise QB for several years at least. How is Josh Allen being "squandered"? "Squandering" a QB was Matthew Stafford playing most of his career in Detroit. 2018 - The 49ers could have taken Lamar Jackson, who eventually went #32. 2020 - Jalen Hurts went in the second round. 2021 - Mac Jones went #15. Jackson and Hurts are bonafide franchise QBs. Jones is, at minimum, a serviceable NFL starter.

You might want to reconsider your praise for Shanahan. Maybe it's just a curse, or maybe Lynch and Shanahan aren't particularly astute in picking QBs who can stay on the field -- or maybe it's not the QBs but something in Shanahan's offense. I can't think of any other playoff caliber team in the last decade or more that has repeatedly lost multiple QBs to game time injuries. In 2022, even the backup (Josh Johnson) to the backup promoted from 3rd string (Purdy) was hurt in the same game. - John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan both came on board in 2017. - They passed on Mahomes in the 2017 even though their QBs during the season were to be Brian Hoyer and CJ Beathard after they released Colin Kaepernick. - In October, they traded for Jimmy Garoppolo, who played in only 3 games in 2018 because of injury and only 6 games in 2020 because of 2 separate injuries. In 2021, Garoppolo suffered three separate injuries, one early in the season, another in Week 16, and finally a third in the playoffs. - In 2018, after losing Garoppolo's backup, CJ Beathard, to injury, the 49ers brought in UDFA QB Nick Mullens who seemed to be really good for a few games ... until he wasn't. In 2020, Mullens was injured late in the season when playing in place of Garoppolo - 2021, Lynch and Shanahan sent 4 picks, including 3 first rounders, to Miami in order to draft Trey Lance, who barely played in college, and at a small college at that. Lance played in 2 games as a rookie. - Lance was named the starter to begin 2022 but only played two games before being injured and out for the season. - Garoppolo managed to start 10 games in 2022 before being sidelined with a broken foot in early December, opening the door for 7th round pick Brock Purdy. - Purdy lasted until he was injured in the NFC Conference Championship game and was replaced by veteran Josh Johnson, who also was injured in the game, necessitating Purdy returning even though he couldn't throw effectively.